Commons:Deletion requests/Files found with insource:http://farsi.khamenei.ir

This file was initially tagged by Jeff G. as Copyvio (copyvio) and the most recent rationale was: COM:CSD#F4, License review NOT passed: no evidence of a free license at http://farsi.khamenei.ir (see discussion at Commons:Village_pump/Copyright/Archive/2018/08#Khamenei.ir_copyright_notice).

1989 (talk) 05:59, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See bottom of this webpage, it's clearly written that "All Content by Khamenei.ir is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License."--Freshman404^Talk 06:26, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As was pointed out in the discussion linked above, the Khamenei.ir hypertext in that notice links specifically to the English subdomain, and the licence does not appear on the Persian-language version of the site. Ambiguous at best, and at the time was thought to cast sufficient doubt on images sourced from non-English pages there.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 07:37, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As long as the English-language version of the website states that they are Creative Commons, we should keep these images. Applodion (talk) 10:29, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you think the English edition of khamenei.IR is more authoritative? 4nn1l2 (talk) 05:46, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Good lord, that's 2,000 images. Is there a way to make a bot that does a reverse image search on site:english.khamenei.ir to verify whether the images exist on the English language version of the site? GMG^talk 12:12, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Keep all The license is general. It says 'Khamenei.ir' is under CC free license and does not restrict it to the En version of the site. --Mhhossein ^talk 12:25, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Delete all per nom as tagger. The license on the English site is for the English site. There is no license for the Persian "farsi" site.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 13:02, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Keep "All Content by Khamenei.ir is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License." .Sicaspi (talk) 14:13, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Delete The footer reads All Content by <a href="http://english.khamenei.ir">Khamenei.ir</a> is licensed under a <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/">Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License. Note how they have provided a link to english.khamenei.ir rather than khamenei.ir. See also my comment at Commons:Undeletion_requests/Archive/2018-12#File:Ali_Khamenei_meets_with_Emir_of_Kuwait_Sabah_Al-Ahmad_02.jpg. 4nn1l2 (talk) 15:20, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Keep The footer licences all content on the website under a CC license. The hypertext is just a convenience link to the english website, since the footer is in English; the written text makes clear the license applies to the entire site. Streamline8988 (talk) 17:57, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Keep The whole project, in all languages, is managed by same organization. Besides, footer says "All Content by Khamenei.ir is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License." It says Khamenei.ir, not just English domain. --Ahmad_احمد | Talk 20:38, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Delete Source code of farsi.khamenei.ir <meta name="copyright" content="© 2014 Khamenei.ir"> رتور (talk) 21:23, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that English version also has these two:

1.<div id="copyright" class="row">
2.<meta name="copyright" content="" />

Also, consider that Creative Commons is also a Copyright licence. See official website. --Ahmad_احمد | Talk 08:21, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Persian subdomain is copyrighted by meta tag. See also the source code of root domain of khamenei.ir. The whole website is copyrighted by:

<meta id="MetaCopyright" name="COPYRIGHT" content="تمامی حقوق برای دفتر حفظ و نشر آثار حضرت آيت الله العظمی سيد علی خامنه ای (مد ظله العالی) محفوظ است" /> that means: "All rights reserved" رتور (talk) 10:54, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it says all rights reserved, but in Khamenei.ir, not in other subdomains. For example, English version is under CC4, not "All rights reserved". About the meta tag of Persian version, that's true, but English version also has a Copyright meta tag. --Ahmad_احمد | Talk 16:46, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

•  Comment This DR has been advertised at the Village Pump of Persian Wikipedia: fa:Special:Permalink/25778615#احتمال حذف ۲۰۰۰ تصویر khamenei.ir از ویکی انبار. ‎ 4nn1l2 (talk) 03:34, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Comment If anyone could contact the Persian "farsi" website and ask them to add the license, explaining that it's not clear to us. It will be perfect. Note that I already seen gallery pages about the same event/topic for the Persian and the English versions, the order of the images was not the same, at first glance there was a little more images, and in higher resolution in the English version, the address was completely unrelative. This did not concern the above images, and as I did several things at the same time I forgot to quote these pages to show you this example, sorry. Christian Ferrer ^(talk) 06:16, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  I tried to contact them, but their "contact us" page is somehow... "semi-broken". I sent my message using two browsers, the page just refreshed, showed nothing else, so I'm not sure whether it was successful or not. --Ahmad_احمد | Talk 08:21, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @Christian Ferrer: Several users have tried to contact the website, but they do not seem to be responsive. This is true that different language editions of the website cover the same events. For example, here are the photo galleries of Ayatollah Khamenei's recent visit to the Imam Reza shrine in Mashhad, Iran on 21 March 2019 (= 1 Farvardin 1398, the first day of Persian New Year, a.k.a. Nowruz):

  • Persian edition of Khamenei.ir: [1]
  • English edition of Khamenei.ir: [2]
  • Persian edition of Leader.ir: [3]

  I compared the images of galleries as far as I could and came to the conclusion that only the Persian edition of Khamenei.ir and Leader.ir publish original content. The English edition of Khamenei.ir republishes content from both the Persian edition of Kahmenei.ir and leader.ir.

  Here are some examples:

  1a) [4] 2700×1800 pixels, khamenei.ir credit at the lower left corner, no indication of free release on the galley page.

  1b) [5] 1024×683 pixels, khamenei.ir credit at the lower left corner, "fake" CC license on the galley page.

  2a) [6] 2200×1467 pixels, leader.ir credit at the lower left corner, no indication of free release on the galley page.

  2b) [7] 1024×683 pixels, leader.ir credit at the lower left corner, "fake" CC license on the galley page.

  4nn1l2 (talk) 08:42, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

•  Delete Per this discussion, 4nn1l2's comment here and COM:PCP (there is significant doubt about the freedom of these files). Hanooz 09:16, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Delete The license for the images on the Persian site belongs to the Persian site. دن کیشوت (talk) 09:54, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

and what does it have to do with this discussion? --Mhhossein ^talk 13:13, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@دن کیشوت: Even if "Khamenei.ir" in English footer refers to English version (and not Persian), the Persian subdomain (Farsi.khamenei.ir) never said "All rights reserved" in footer, or source. Our problem is "licence". --Ahmad_احمد | Talk 16:54, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• These pictures have been uploaded based on the following template {{Khamenei}}. You guys have created it and people seeing it, spent time selecting pictures and uploading it here. Now all of a suden you are playing games which are not really meaningful. Be truthful to your own promises. Sicaspi (talk) 18:38, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Pinging @Ahecht, creator of that template.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 01:02, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

•  Keep "All Content by Khamenei.ir is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License."--Mehdi^Talk 19:26, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Delete Per Hanooz's comment here. Poya-P (talk) 20:37, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Delete The same content is released under two licenses; legally, the more restrictive one should apply. However, there is a chance that the website owners have posted inconsistent licenses in error, in which case it is best to not rush in closing this deletion request, and allow ample time just in case someone reports this to the website admins and they decided to ratify the issue. Huji (talk) 02:00, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Keep There is no difference between here and here! GTVM92 (talk) 12:33, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Delete Per رتور and Hanooz's comment here.--Mohamadr za (talk) 15:54, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

•  Comment File:Ali Khamenei and Hassan Rouhani in funeral of Abbas Vaez-Tabasi.jpg has already an own discussion which should be solved before.--Sanandros (talk) 13:53, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Some more files can be found here: Special:Search/insource:http://arabic.khamenei.ir & could be added to this discussion. رتور (talk) 15:51, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Some more: Special:Search/insource:http://s15.khamenei.ir رتور (talk) 16:35, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Comment I also would like to ask the closing admin to give this DR sufficient time (considering the current backlog, I suggest 3 months at least). There is a good chance that the copyright notice of the websites will be fixed. This saves us the trouble of undeleting these files in the near future. Thanks 4nn1l2 (talk) 19:20, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Comment Some of these images are from the 1980s and are PD per PD-Iran. They should be carefully reviewed before being deleted. Streamline8988 (talk) 00:42, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Comment All Content by <a href="http://farsi.khamenei.ir" dideo-checked="true">Khamenei.ir</a> is licensed under a <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/" dideo-checked="true">Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License</a>. is added to farsi.khamenei.ir رتور (talk) 12:17, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @رتور: Is that retroactive?   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 12:53, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @Jeff G.: See the footer of persian subdomain. CC BY 4.0 has been added today. رتور (talk) 13:00, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't know, it's permanent or not. رتور (talk) 13:10, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  New footer claims all Content by persian subdomain. رتور (talk) 13:19, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @رتور: There seems to be nothing new (no free license) at the Arabic subdomain http://arabic.khamenei.ir/.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 14:10, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @Jeff G.: True. There is no evidence of free license. رتور (talk) 14:25, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: CC license was added to the Persian edition of the website. For files originating from other editions of the website, including the Arabic one, please open another DR. --4nn1l2 (talk) 15:32, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]