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Files in Category:"Der Weltkrieg in seiner rauhen Wirklichkeit"

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Files in this category are from Der Weltkrieg, 1914-1918 in seiner rauhen Wirklichkeit "das Frontkämpferwerk", a 1926 German book which published 600 WWI photos by German war photographer Hermann Rex. The photos are tagged {{PD-old}}, but no death date is available for the photographer. The only additional information we have is that according to this book a "Hermann Rex" photographed Thomas Mann in 1929. It's not a common name and we must assume it's the same person. 1929 is already late enough that the URAA will spring into action even if Rex died that year. According to one source, some of the photographs were published before that book came out, but without details of that, it doesn't help us (and it may well not help anyway). There is a vague possibility I want to mention that copyright is with Rex's employer (the "Kriegs-Bild- und Filmamt", an agency of the German government), in which case it might have expired... It's unfortunate, because these are valuable files and widely used, but it's hard to avoid the conclusion that these must be deleted per COM:PRP.

Rd232 (talk) 00:32, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hallo! The most of the photographs are not shot from Hermann Rex, at page 1 it is written "600 Original-Aufnahmen des Kriegs- Bild und Filmamtes und des Kriegsphotographen Hermann Rex (im Dienste der Obersten Heeresleistung 1914-1918)". That means: "600 photographs of the Kriegs- Bild und Filmamt and the photograph Hermann Rex (government employee of the german supreme army command)". All photos in the book are under the courtesy of the "Kriegs- Bild und Filmamt" (simular: Committee on public information), some are from publications of the allied forces. In the book it is not declared, which photograph was made from Hermann Rex and which from other persons.(I beg your pardon, I know, my english isn´t good) --Superikonoskop (talk) 07:01, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If it's not clear which photos in the book belong to who, then we're no better off. Plus, it's not clear, given German copyright laws, that the "BUFA" works would actually be copyright by BUFA, rather than whoever the photographer was. PS your English is clear enough above; if you want to add something in German, feel free. Rd232 (talk) 10:04, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The copyright-holder of most the pictures, made 1914-1918 is the de:Bild- und Filmamt, see here. --Otberg (talk) 08:44, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
nice try - I really do hope we can keep these photos! But that link doesn't show that we can. The relevant sentence is Rex stellt neben eigenen Fotos ein Sortiment aus dem zwei Jahre nach Kriegsbeginn eingerichteten Bild- und Filmamt (BUFA) vor, verwendet auch gestellte Bilder, die dort 'ab 1917 in hoher Zahl produziert' wurden, wobei er natuerlich nicht sagt, dass sie gestellt sind." So a selection of the photos are from BUFA, but not all of them, and without knowing which, this doesn't really help us. Rd232 (talk) 10:04, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, why exactly would it mean that copyright would be expired in Germany if the rights were transferred from the photographer to the Bild- und Filmamt? I'm not familiar with German Urheberrecht of the 1910s, but according to current German law, AFAIK, the term of protection is still 70 years from the individual creator's year of death, as current German copyright law doesn't know a concept of fully transferring the rights to a (governmental) contracting entity - they can be owners of the exclusive right of use (Nutzungsrechte), but the "Urheber" counting for the protection term is still the individual photographer. Also, there's nothing like {{PD-USGov}} in German law; as we have read in the Berlin court decision regarding the Loriot stamps not long ago, {{PD-GermanGov}} is only applicable to textual works, not to images. Gestumblindi (talk) 14:39, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
For that reason most photographs of Category:Images from the German Federal Archive must be deletetd too, I will make a deletion request. - There are only listed the potographs, which I have uploaded from this book, there are many more in the Commons. Why only these ones? - I have spoken with the most "Rex" in Bavaria, but no one is a relative to Hermann Rex. - Would it be possible to take the pictures from the commons and use them only in german Wikipedia? --Superikonoskop (talk) 17:47, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's an entirely different case. The photographs in Category:Images from the German Federal Archive mostly aren't in the public domain, but correctly licensed. The German Federal Archive doesn't claim they have the "Urheberrecht" for those pictures they licensed as CC-BY-SA, but the "ausschliessliches Nutzungsrecht" (exclusive right of use) which grants them the rights to license the pictures as they see fit. So, these pictures are still protected by copyright until 70 years after the creator's death, but freely licensed by the owner of the Nutzungsrecht, which equals to owner of the copyright. - Regarding the Rex photographs, I think we couldn't keep them in the German Wikipedia either, as this is mainly about copyright in Germany, and since we don't know when Rex died, these photos could be protected still for a very long time in Germany, making them unacceptable for the German Wikipedia. Gestumblindi (talk) 17:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Where is the proof, that the German Federal Archive has the "ausschliessliches Nutzungsrecht" (exclusive right of use) "which grants them the rights to license the pictures as they see fit"? - There are only listed the potographs for Deletion request, which I have uploaded from this book, there are many more in the Commons. Why only these ones? --Superikonoskop (talk) 20:14, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you know Commons:Bundesarchiv? As one can read there, Wikimedia Germany and the Federal Archives have signed a cooperation agreement that, among other things, asserts that the Federal Archives owns sufficient rights to be able to grant this kind of license. So, we have a signed statement by the Federal Archives, and that's good enough for me as an assertion. Gestumblindi (talk) 20:31, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That is not right, because the most pictures have the description "Photographer unknown", so it is impossible, that they gave the "ausschliessliches Nutzungsrecht" (exclusive right of use) to the Bundesarchiv. I know especially all files of World War I, so for example: File:Bundesarchiv Bild 104-0158, Argonnen, zerschossener Wald.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-2004-0069, Stellungsbau im Argonnerwald.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-1992-099-00, Frankreich, Soldaten bei Rast.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-R05951, Frankreich, Arras, Soldaten im Schützengraben.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-1984-059-06A, Frankreich, zerschossener englischer Tank.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-00169A, Westfront, Abgeschossener englischer Flieger.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-03366A, Frankreich, Vormarsch deutscher Truppen.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 104-0153, Argonnen, Soldaten beim Wasserholen.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 104-0174, Argonnen, Friedhof.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 104-0176, Argonnen, Transporte mit Feldbahn.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-1970-032-05, Frankreich, englischer Beutepanzer.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-1970-073-07, Bei Sedan, Sturmtrupp bei Ausbildung.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-1982-031-31A, Frankreich, britischer Beutepanzer.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-R05148, Westfront, deutscher Soldat.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-R05944, Champagne, deutsche Sturmtruppen.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 104-0941A, Bei Cambrai, zerstörter englischer Panzer Mark I.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-1970-075-50, Bei Chavignon, Arbeiten an Nachschubstraße.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 104-0608A, Etricourt, Soldat zwischen beschädigten Gebäuden.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 104-0984A, Bei Etricourt, Truppen auf Landstraße.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 104-0991, Bei Etricourt, Truppen auf Landstraße.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-1994-105-20, Frankreich, Frommeles, Unterstand.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-2004-0070, Frankreich, Frommeles, zerstörtes Haus.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-2004-0073, Bei Frommelles, deutsche Posten.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-2008-0065, Frankreich, Fromelles, Sprengtrichter.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 115-2085, Frankreich, Hautmont, deutsche Besatzung.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-S30293, Frankreich, Lille, Militärparade.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-00178, Frankreich, Eroberte französische Stellung.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-R28717, Frankreich, deutsche Panzerschwadron.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 115-2087, Frankreich, Maubeuge, deutsche Besatzung.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 104-0981, Revelon, gefallener Deutscher.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-00206A, Bei Ripont, deutscher Sturmtrupp.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-P1013-316, Westfront, deutscher Panzer in Roye.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-R29407, Westfront, Stellungskrieg.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-00171A, Westfront, Beutegeschütze.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-00282A, Westfront, Deutsche Geschützstellung.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-00290A, Westfront, Transport von Kriegsgefangenen.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-00293, Westront, Befüllen eines Fesselballons.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-00321A, Westfront, Aufsteigender Fesselballon..jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 115-1902, Westfront, deutsche Besatzung, Straßenszene.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-1969-024-67, Westfront, Deutsche Gaswerfer (18cm).jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-1974-048-14, Medizinische Quartiere für Offiziere, Westfront.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-1974-054-017, Deutsche Grabengeschütze.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-1975-006-20, Frankreich, Schlachtfeld.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-1976-076-28A, Belgien, Flandern, Sprengtrichter.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-1976-076-29A, Westfront, ausgebauter Sprengtrichter.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-1977-106-31, Deutsche Versorgungstruppe.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-1981-134-19A, Frankreich, bei Cambrai, Zerstörungen.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-2004-0062, Mannschaften in der Stellung.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-2004-0071, Bei Fromelles, lesender Soldat.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-2004-0072, Bei Fromelles, zerschossenes Tor.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-2005-0099, Westfront, Soldat im Schützengraben.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-2008-0068, Frankreich, Lens, Zerstörungen.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-2008-0070, Belgien, Flandern, Wegweiser in Ruinen.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-2008-0079, Westfront, Schützengraben.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-2008-0083, Westfront, Schützengraben.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-R22888, Westfront, Flammenwerfer.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-R29825, Westfront, Stoßtrupp im Schützengraben.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-S12054, Vermessungstruppe bei Fernaufnahmen.jpg, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-S29737, Westfront, weibliche Hilfskräfte.jpg etc. etc.
They all have unknown photographers, so the measures are not equal and when the photographs of the book "Der Weltkrieg in seiner rauhen Wirklichkeit" will be deleted, I will request to delete the most files of the German Federal Archive . --Superikonoskop (talk) 21:35, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The rights for those photographs might have been rightfully granted (in the form of "ausschliessliche Nutzungsrechte") to a former German agency by the photographer, and than later from the agency to the Bundesarchiv, even if the Bundesarchiv doesn't know the photographer anymore. This would mean that we don't know when the term of protection ends, but the license would still be fine - and this is what I would assume, for every file of the Bundesarchiv, that they are indeed the owner of the rights of use, unless there is evidence to the contrary (all humans make mistakes, and some Bundesarchiv photos were deleted in the past, also on request of the Bundesarchiv itself, where they have made an error). Gestumblindi (talk) 22:16, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"might have been ... they are indeed the owner of the rights of use" :-))) (so schlecht ist mein Englisch nun auch wieder nicht). The rights for the photographs of Der Weltkrieg in seiner rauhen Wirklichkeit "might have been also rightfully granted" and this more probably because of the description on page 1. --Superikonoskop (talk) 22:56, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There's a big difference: In the case of the Bundesarchiv, we have a written agreement where the Bundesarchiv says they have the rights, and they granted a free license. You can of course question whether they got it right in specific cases (by the way, there are a great many pictures from the Bundesarchiv where the photographer is named), but this is still far more substantial than mere speculations in the case of "Der Weltkrieg in seiner rauhen Wirklichkeit". In one case, we have a well-known, reputable entity that says "We are the rights owners, and we grant a free license". In the book case, we have - basically nothing, just a name with unknown date of death and unknown copyright status, and can only speculate about the possibility of these photos being in the public domain (and it seems more likely that they're not). (Yes, and it's funny that all of us discussing here so far have German as their Muttersprache und wir könnten uns eigentlich auch auf Deutsch unterhalten, but let's keep this in English for the benefit of the wider community ;-) ) Gestumblindi (talk) 00:11, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Hermann Rex gave the rights of the photographs to the OHL (Supreme Army Command of Germany), which was dissolved because of the appointments of Treaty of Versailles of 28 June 1918. These appointments became german law on 16 Jule 1919. - Wenn wir uns hier tatsächlich deutsch unterhalten können, war mir sehr entgegenkommt: Rex arbeitete im Auftrag der OHL und die musste mit dem Vertrag von Versailles aufgelöst werden, also am 28. Juni 1919 bzw. mit der Ratifikation im Reichstag am 9. Juli 1919 und der Rechtskraft in Deutschland ab 16. Juli 1919 (bis heute übrigends). - Hermann Rex betrieb nach dem Krieg in Oberammergau ein Fotoatelier und war auch Fotograf bei den Passionsspielen. Anscheinend gibt es zumindest in Bayern heute keine Nachkommen mehr, ich habe mit fast allen Rex telefoniert (sind nicht sehr viele), niemand kennt Hermann Rex. Ich werde jetzt bei einem Bekannten im Bay. Staatsarchiv und bei der Gemeinde Oberammergau anfragen. Falls es noch einen Nachkommen gibt, dann schwatze ich ihm/ihr das Nutzungsrecht schon ab, da habe ich Übung. - Abgesehen davon: Fast alle Fotos zum WK 1 (mein Spezialgebiet) und sehr viele zur Geschichte des 20. Jh. allgemein auf den Commons haben die Angabe "Fotograf:unbekannt" und müssten nach den hier aufgemachten Maßstäben gelöscht werden. Die Vereinbarung mit dem Bundesarchiv bricht kein Urheberrecht, darauf könnte man sich im Zweifelsfalle auch nicht zurückziehen. Wie bebildern wir dann aber unsere Artikel in der Kategorie Wk 1, dessen 100jähriger Gedenktag naht? --Superikonoskop (talk) 07:40, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rex arbeitete im Auftrag der OHL - ja, aber das heisst nicht, dass der OHL das Urheberrecht hatte (und dass der OHL nicht mehr existiert heisst schon lange nicht dass das entsprechende Urheberrecht weggefallen ist). Ich bin nicht sicher, wie dass nach deutschem Recht funktioniert. Vielleicht kann Anfrage auf de:WP:Urheberrechtsfragen helfen. Rd232 (talk) 11:17, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Tja, da beanspruche ich mal das Glück der Tüchtigen für mich, heute bekomme ich folgende Mail vom Archiv Oberammergau: "Grüß Gott Herr Dr. Superikonoskop, Ihre Anfrage bzgl. des Fotographen Hermann Rex ist zu mir ins Archiv weitergeleitet worden. [...] REX, Hermann (14.3.1884 Stadtamthof – Januar 1937 München) [...] Seit 2.4.1919 in Oberammergau, Geschäft in der Dorfstr. 15; am 25.11.1930 nach Pasing gezogen [...] Im Anhang sende ich Ihnen den Nachruf auf Hermann Rex aus der Ammergauer Zeitung 1938 Nr.9 [...]Ich hoffe, ich konnte Ihnen ein bißchen weiterhelfen / Viele Grüße/ Katharina Waldhauser M.A., Archivleiterin, Rathaus-Archiv, Schnitzlergasse 5, 82487 Oberammergau, Tel.: 08822/92266-61, Email: archiv@oberammergau.de". - Ich bitte die Damen und Herren hier um großzügige Löschung des Delete Requests. LG --Superikonoskop (talk) 19:28, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Deutsch: Super, danke fuer die Tuechtigkeit. Demnach sind die Fotos von Rex in Deutschland 2008 gemeinfrei geworden (1937+70 Jahre). Leider beisst hier aber die URAA - die Fotos werden erst 95 Jahre nach der ersten Veroeffentlichung in den USA gemeinfrei (s. Commons:Hirtle_chart), wenn sie nicht vor 1923 veroeffentlicht wurden. Dass waere also, fuer Fotos die erst in diesem Buch veroeffentlicht wurden und nicht frueher, 1926+95=2021. Auch bleibt immer noch die Problematik von den Fotos von Anderen (nicht-Rex-Fotos). Rd232 (talk) 20:03, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
English: Excellent, thanks for your good work in getting Rex's deathdate (1937). This means Rex's photos became PD in Germany in 2008 (1937+70 years). Unfortunately the URAA means the photos only become PD in the US in 1926+95 years=2021 (see Commons:Hirtle chart), unless the photos were published before 1923 (i.e. if they were published a couple of years before the 1926 book). The problem of the non-Rex photos also remains - we don't know which of the photos in the book are by Rex and which are by others. Rd232 (talk) 20:03, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Habe ich mir schon gedacht, dass das auch noch kommt, aber dann lade ich die Dateien einfach nur in die deutsche wp hoch, nervt, macht Arbeit, aber die Zeit werde ich dann auch noch investieren. Ich gebe Hermann Rex als Urheber an, wer will das Gegenteil beweisen (v.a. da auf S. 2 des Buches eine entsprechende Copyrigth Angabe vorhanden ist) ? --Superikonoskop (talk) 20:21, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ja, nach gaengiger Praxis koennen die Fotos in die deutsche WP hochgeladen werden (wobei ich immer noch nicht 100% sicher bin, dass diese Praxis felsenfest OK ist). Wenn im Buch Rex als Urheber steht, kann das gelten, bis jemand das Gegenteil beweist. Rd232 (talk) 20:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, dann bitte ich um eine entsprechende Zeitvorgabe, damit ich das erledigen kann. Im Übrigen hast Du nur die von mir hochgeladenen Bilder aus diesem Buch moniert. Selbst staatliche Museen des Commonwealth verwenden Bilder aus diesem Buch, ohne hier irgendwelche Probleme zu sehen. --Superikonoskop (talk) 21:03, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ich habe die Bilder auf Commons nominiert die ich finden konnte. Wenn es andere gibt, sollten sie hier hinzugefuegt werden. Was andere Institutionen betrifft: (i) ihr Problem, nicht unseres (ii) wenn USA-Recht fuer sie ueberhaupt relevant ist, koennen sie sich wahrscheinlich auf "fair use" verlassen. Commons kann das nicht (s. Commons:fair use). Rd232 (talk) 22:10, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Inzwischen habe ich die Spur der Nachkommen aufnehmen können. Sofern mir der Enkel die Bilder freigibt, können sie dann auch auf den commons bleiben? --Superikonoskop (talk) 07:09, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ja, wenn die Erben von Rex seine Bilder entsprechend lizenzieren (z.B. {{CC-BY-SA-3.0-heirs}} oder {{PD-heirs}}) und das durch COM:OTRS entsprechend dokumentiert ist, koennen wir die Fotos von Rex behalten. Nur bleibt da das doofe Probleme dass wir nicht wissen, welche Fotos im 1926 Buch von Rex stammen. Vielleicht koennen die Erben da helfen - moeglicherweise haben sie die urspruenglichen Fotos von Rex. Oder steht es vielleicht im Buch, welche von Rex sind? (Du hast die Fotos doch vom Buch eingescannt, oder?) Rd232 (talk) 12:10, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Es gibt eine zweite, ursprüngliche Ausgabe des Buches, großformatig in drei Bänden, die enthalten imo nur Bilder von Rex, ich habe die Bände bestellt (die von Dir oben verlinkte Ausgabe auf Google Books ist übrigends ein wiederum anderweitig ergänzter Nachdruck aus dem Jahre 1952, Verlag J. Moser). Damit ließe sich das differenzieren. Es kann aber sein, dass es keine Nachkommen von Rex gibt, er hatte nur einen relativ früh verstorbenen Sohn (1938 im Alter von 28). Und die eventuellen sonstigen Erben müsste ich am Amtsgericht München recherchieren, das ist für wp zu aufwändig. --Superikonoskop (talk) 23:49, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK - mal hoffen, dass du das mit dem "nur Bilder von Rex" klaeren kannst. :) Rd232 (talk) 01:34, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment note to closing admin: if the conclusion is "delete", please use {{DR proposed close}} to ensure the files can be easily transferred to German Wikipedia. Thanks, Rd232 (talk) 22:10, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Könnt ihr eigentlich auch die Ursprüngliche E-Mail von diesem Archiv ans OTRS Team senden?--Sanandros (talk) 07:01, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Das aus Obermamergau? Klar, gibt mir mal die mail-Adresse, dann muss ich nicht suchen. --Superikonoskop (talk) 18:18, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Adresse ist auf der Seite Commons:OTRS leicht zu finden. Rd232 (talk) 01:38, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Question: Does the 1926 book have a copyright notice? If not, it is in PD in the USA as well, I guess? Lymantria (talk) 12:18, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No - not unless it was published in the US. If it's a foreign work, it's covered by the URAA and doesn't need to have had a copyright notice. Rd232 (talk) 12:20, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Proposed close: Deleted
Hermann Rex images are not-PD because of URAA, others are unknown and 1914 is too late to assume the photographer died before 1942 .     Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:04, 20 November 2012 (UTC) ~~~~[reply]
This proposed close has been cancelled. Please continue discussion below.
As we now know, Hermann Rex died in 1937 (Superikonoskop contacted the archive of Oberammergau, see mail quoted above), so those photos which can be attributed to Rex are in the public domain in Germany. Superikonoskop added that he has ordered a different edition of the book which contains only photos by Rex, this will make a distinction of "photos by Rex" / "not by Rex" possible. However, this leaves the URAA question open. Superikonoskop, was the different edition published before 1923? Then the photos would be certainly free in the U.S., too... I propose to leave this DR open a little bit longer to allow more research and clarification. Gestumblindi (talk) 20:17, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I have cancelled the {{DR proposed close}} .     Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 22:39, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
@Gestumblindi: No, the books are all published in 1926, only some photos are published in newspapers and as propaganda-postcards before, for example File:Nach Gasangriff 1917.jpg (I have one from 19 Jule 1916). The pictures of Rex in the books differ by better solution, because the publisher in Oberammergau had only the originals of the photos of Rex, so myself can destinguish. But is that enough? (For germans see also discussion here). --Superikonoskop (talk) 08:07, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If you can list some photos from this deletion request that were "published in newspapers and as propaganda-postcards before", this would be very valuable information and we could certainly remove the DR for those, if you can attribute them to Rex and they were published during WW I. For example, if you can say with some certainty that File:Nach Gasangriff 1917.jpg is a photo by Rex, then I think we can keep it on Commons (and strike out from the list above), as it would be free both in Germany (because Rex died in 1937) as in the U.S. (because first published before 1923), you just would have to add this information to the description. Gestumblindi (talk) 20:14, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I try to manage it this weekend. --Superikonoskop (talk) 07:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The most photos of Category:"Der Weltkrieg in seiner rauhen Wirklichkeit" are made by Hermann Rex, but I have no published photos before 1926, with the exception of:
*File:Nach Gasangriff 1917.jpg I have a postcard sent 1916 and I can send the backside with date to OTRS.
*File:Massengrab Fromelles retuschiert.jpg It is a retouched photo, but the original seems to be from Rex. The original was send 1917, see here.
The other ones: Perhaps I will find them later, but until now I have not found the legal heirs of Hermann Rex. Please give me a few days to transfer some of them to de:wp --Superikonoskop (talk) 15:29, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]


 Info OTRS received confirmation in ticket:2012111910006086, that Mr. Hermann Rex died in january 1937 in munich/germany.--Wdwd (talk) 19:56, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Info I removed the DR for File:Nach Gasangriff 1917.jpg and File:Massengrab Fromelles retuschiert.jpg, as they were published first prior to 1923 according to Superikonoskop (see above). So these two are PD in the U.S. (PD-1923) as well as in Germany (PD-70). I updated the licensing to {{PD-old-auto-1923|1937}}. Status of the remaining files is still unclear. Gestumblindi (talk) 00:24, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: Unclear copyright status. Unless we have clear, explicit written/textual, tangible evidence indicating that these files are indeed freely licensed under a Commons compatible license, we cannot host them on Commons FASTILY (TALK) 10:24, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Transfer notes: PD-old-50 in Canada, safe for Wikilivres Canada.
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