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Files in Category:Ross-Verlag

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These are all German works from after 1/1/1928. Many of them have known authors, while others do not. Since the German law is 70 years pma or 70 years after publication, all of them must have been under copyright on the 1996 URAA date and are therefore under copyright in the USA until next year and in most cases after that.

The remaining works in the category either have explicit dates before 1928, ambiguous dates (such as c1927-c1928), or no dates.

.     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 20:55, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

the photograph in File:Lucie Englisch - Georg Fayer - Ross-Verlag.jpg was not restored by URAA as Austria changed the law on photographs after 1996. I'm not sure if the Ross-Verlag publication includes other copyrightable material. @Rosenzweig: Abzeronow (talk) 21:01, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Many of them have known authors, while others do not" - If this is an important point, and I believe it is, then we should not be grouping photos from these different roots. We should not mix those where someone says that they know the authors and those where we do not. Because if we do not know the name of the authors of the photos then the nomination has no justification. Works with no named photographer are out of copyright after 70 years. Including some of these, means that the case is too complex to argue or justify. Can we see those photos that are not ano listed with the names of the photographers itemised seperately please. Victuallers (talk) 23:10, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep Per Victuallers. This is a clearly spurious mass nomination of images that was made after I did an un-deletion request for a postcard published by Ross-Verlag, File:File:Lya de Putti.jpg and asked him why 80 or 70+ years after the publication date wouldn't apply to those images. He did the same exact thing with File:R.M.S. Walmer Castle.png btw, which seems to have been just as bogus. Honestly, the whole thing seems rather petty and ridiculous. There's no reason he couldn't have waited until the un-deletion request was resolved to nominate similar files for deletion. In the meantime, the anonymous photographs obviously have separate terms to the ones where the photographer is known. There's also a few cases were it appears that the photographer died more then 70+ years ago. So they would clearly qualify as public domain under the standard terms. Although I don't have time to go through and list them right now. But either way the images should clearly be kept and this should be split up into individual nominations based on if the work is anonymous or not, and who the particular photographer of the image is. --Adamant1 (talk) 02:33, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep Those that are 70 pma were not extended by the URAA agreement. This could have been handled better with a question at the Village pump. They all need to have "Not-PD-US-URAA" removed where the author died more than 70 years ago. The URAA agreement restored any copyrights that were lost when the pma date was less than 70 years, in countries that had 50 or 60 years prior to the agreement. --RAN (talk) 20:09, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep per the above arguments. Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:12, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination, almost all, except for one which was most likely published in 1927 per [1], which I also used to date the others. These were published in Germany in 1928 or later, so they were definitely still protected by copyright in Germany on the URAA date 1996-01-01 (because Germany had 70 years pma and 70 years for anonymous publications on that date). Which means the URAA restored their US copyrights. This also applies to photographs taken by photographers from Austria (like Fayer) and other countries, but originally published in Germany. Most of the photographers died over 70 years ago, so the files can be restored when their US copyright expires, in 2024 for the 1928 batch, 2025 for those from 1929 and so on. Some photographs were apparently of American origin (Hollywood studios) and might be still copyrighted in the US or not (because there was no notice etc.) I don't have any evidence for original publication without a notice, "no renewal" or similar, so I've slated them for restoration when the US copyrights from that year expire. The photos by Atelier Manassé are still protected in Germany (and Austria) until the end of 2039 (because the photographer died in 1969), so they can be restored in 2040. Finally, for some photos of German / European origin the photographer was unclear, and I don't know if these are truly "anonymous", so I've marked those for restoration after 120 years with PD-old-assumed. I'll put notes and undeletion categories in the deletion request. --Rosenzweig τ 04:57, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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