Commons:Deletion requests/Mystic Treatises

• Category:Mystic Treatises
• All subimages; the entire book

The book was published in 1923, so it's not PD in the US, and it was translated by w:de:Arent Jan Wensinck, who died in 1939, so it's not PD in the Netherlands, where it was published.--Prosfilaes (talk) 13:15 , 6 September 2009 (UTC)

 Delete Published in Amsterdam, the translator has copyright. (Warning: the category with all the .gif files takes forever to load.) /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 16:19, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment But why the ... did not you notify the uploader of all these files?!!! /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 17:07, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because opening that category page and doing the simplest thing takes about 10-15 minutes for me, as it eats up all my memory, and I ran out of time.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment Is it correct that the copyright of this book anywhere except in the USA expires on January 1, 2010? Sv1xv (talk) 17:45, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No. Columbia, for one, has a life+80 term and no rule of the shorter term.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So, with the exception of a few countries with extreme copyright protection and the USA (not before 2018 due to URAA) it shall be generally free in less than 4 months. Sv1xv (talk) 04:26, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

With those exceptions, it was already generally free.--Prosfilaes (talk) 07:04, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep per common sense here. Since the translator died in 1939, the work is copyright free in 4 months time. We can surely wait 4 months rather than delete 160 files here I think? --Leoboudv (talk) 21:59, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That makes good sense. Let this DR linger in the backlog until January. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:14, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So we host a work that violates US copyright (where the servers are hosted) and it also violates the copyright of its country of origin and we should just sit on it?--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If it was one file (or a small number of files) the best course would be to delete it now and then undelete it in four months. But when the work is distributed in a 457 files, it is counterproductive, unless it can be done by a script or a bot. I believe we have no technical option to temporarily hide it from public access, is it correct? (If a paper book publisher wanted to publish it when the copyright expires, he would already have started printing, binding, packaging and distributing the books. He would also set an official release date of January 1, 2010.) Sv1xv (talk) 04:26, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He wouldn't have started printing the books if he were a Florida-based publisher like Wikimedia is. I'm curious if they would be openly printing or distributing the books even if they were about to be PD, as that's a criminal act under US law.--Prosfilaes (talk) 07:04, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is not the place to resolve the WMF-URAA policy issue, is it? The current discussion is about handling a specific case and we have proposed two options (temporary deletion using some script or leaving the DR open). Sv1xv (talk) 07:25, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We should just follow whatever Commons:Licensing says, which is "Wikimedia Commons accepts only media [...] that are in the public domain in at least the United States and in the source country of the work", and take the policy discussion, which needs to change that first, elsewhere.--Prosfilaes (talk) 16:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On this specific issue (URAA) the current Commons policy is "wait and see, don't rush to remove media unless asked to", see {{Not-PD-US-URAA}}. I don't know what happens behind the scene but I suspect they act on legal advice. If the courts decide that URAA is constitutional, a solution like hosting some media outside the USA may be implemented. Sv1xv (talk) 17:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you believe that, then edit Commons:Licensing to say that.--Prosfilaes (talk) 18:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why should I get involved ? I have no strong personal views on the subject. Sv1xv (talk) 18:52, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(unident) Sorry, I thought copyright ran out exactly 70 years after death of the author, this would be in a few days... If it is not so: delete it, I will upload the whole sh.. January 1st, 2010. --Moros (talk) 07:49, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you are willing to upload it again, there is another issue, unrelated to copyright: It would be much better if you could upload it in PNG format instead of GIF. Sv1xv (talk) 08:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry, I've converted all files into the .PNG format and I would upload all files as .PNG files. --Moros (talk) 13:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! Then it is better to delete these ones now. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 14:04, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. per request on Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#Commons:Deletion_requests.2FMystic_Treatises Huib talk 17:11, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Category:Mystic Treatises
• All subimages; the entire book
• Template:Mystic Treatises, Template:Mystic Treatises Preface

As noted above, this work was first published in the Netherlands by a translator who died in 1939, so it was still in copyright (70 pma retroactive) on the 1996 URAA date. Being published in 1923, it's still in copyright in the United States until 2019. Dcoetzee (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

•  Delete As per above.--Prosfilaes (talk) 20:42, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted -FASTILY ^(TALK) 02:56, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]