File talk:National Emblem of the Republic of China.svg: Difference between revisions

To user Shibo, Please discuss on talk page before you upload the near black version of the Kuomintang Emblem. Please. Arilang ^talk 12:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The blue shade of the emblem should be in consistent with the shade of the flag but User:Fry1989 reverted it. I am going to correct it if no objection.--Lmmnhn (talk) 19:37, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well I object. The shade of blue has been fought over dozens of times and this sort of thing should not be altered until a thorough consensus is formed. Fry1989 ^eh? 05:07, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Would not it be common sense that the shades of the emblem and flag should be consistent though?--Lmmnhn (talk) 16:45, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Normally I would agree, but considering how many times this issue regarding the proper shade of blue has come up, I feel everything should be left alone until there is one hell of a solid consensus which can be applied to all files. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:36, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can I say there is a consensus if not solid over there on the File_talk:Flag_of_the_Republic_of_China.svg#Colors_used_by_government_websites already? So we can follow conclusion there?--Lmmnhn (talk) 19:41, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a citizen of the Republic of China. I'm sure the color of our National Emblem is the same with National Flag. Please correct it. 我是中華民國國民，我確定國徽的顏色與國旗相同，請修正圖檔。--Jitcji (talk) 10:31, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a photo. (This one looks darker because lamp color and brightness) 請看相片（受燈光和亮度的影響，當中的國徽看起來比原貌深了些）。--Jitcji (talk) 06:13, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but I don't think photo is a good reference as it is mostly affected by the lighting. An official emblem on government official website would be a better source. As I mentioned above, File_talk:Flag_of_the_Republic_of_China.svg#Colors_used_by_government_websites, someone just did a great reserach on the shades of the flag on the government websites. Please see which one you think fit the best. IMO I think the current shade of the flag is satisfying though.--Lmmnhn (talk) 10:44, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As was explained on the Administrator's Noticeboard, the shade of blue that this file has used since May 2012 by Sekisama was sourced to the ROC Government (http://flag.moi.gov.tw/FAQ.html *dead link*). Where disputes arise, sources are considered the ultimate voice. The argument by Jitcji that he is a citizen of the ROC and therefore has "seen it many times" and knows better is insufficient to override such a source. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:20, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Fry1989, the website (http://flag.moi.gov.tw/FAQ.html) is not a dead link. Maybe you can explore it via a proxy. I think you need literal translation for the website.

Ｑ：國旗的顏色有規定嗎?
Ａ：有關我國國徽國旗之制式及使用，係依中華民國國徽國旗法規定辦理，按該法第4條規定，中華民國國旗依憲法規定為紅地左上角青天白日。我國目前尚未規範國旗配色標準，惟繪製國徽國旗時仍應力求顏色之純正。
※以下國旗用色僅提供參考
青：C100 + M80 +20%BK（黑）
白：正白色
紅：Y100 + M100+ 5%~10%BK（黑）

I literally translated this in English as:

Q: Is there any statutory definition for the national flag?
A: Regarding the designs and uses of the national flag, National Emblem and National Flag of the Republic of China Act is followed, according to Article 4 of the Act and Constitution of the Republic of China (Taiwan), the National Flag of ROC is a wholly red flag with a 'blue sky and white sun' on the top left corner. The authorities have not yet instituted a standard of the colors on the national flag, nevertheless, the colors of the national flag and national emblem should achieve 'purity' when drawn.
matters need attention: the colors hereinafter are only recommendation.
Blue: C100 + M80 +20%BK (Black)
Withe: Pure White
Red: Y100 + M100+ 5%~10%BK (Black)

Actually, if you read File_talk:Flag_of_the_Republic_of_China.svg#Colors_used_by_government_websites, you would realize that there IS NOT any official standard of the colors on the national flag. Moreover, different websites of ROC Government show different colors. Thus, the users voted for the colors in File_talk:Flag_of_the_Republic_of_China.svg#Colors used by government websites and build a consensus finally.
Since there is not a statutory standard, but is a consensus in Wiki already, I suggest you accept the outcome of File_talk:Flag_of_the_Republic_of_China.svg. We use these colors not because we are the citizens of the ROC and therefore have "seen it many times."--Akira123 (talk) 02:48, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

An official "recommendation" still holds more value and weight than mere opinion. Fry1989 ^eh? 03:58, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

According to your opinion, how about those colors used by the other departments of ROC Government? Especially by Office of the President website? It's the highest ROC Government, and why don't you follow it but a lower ministry?--Akira123 (talk) 06:02, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]