Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/06/Category:Lion of Venice (ancient bronze statue)

already there is c:Lion of Venice, Piazzetta San Marco MenkinAlRire (talk) 09:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be for a class, whereas Category:Lion of Venice, Piazzetta San Marco is for the one in Venice. Enhancing999 (talk) 09:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly there is some overlap with Category:Statues of the Lion of Saint Mark

or Category:Fontaine des Invalides (a current subcategory of Category:Lion of Venice (ancient bronze statue)) should go elsewhere. Enhancing999 (talk) 10:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep - clearly the fontaine des invalides is a subset of the larger history of the same sculpture. open to a rename for the meta-category; otherwise, i'm not sure how to tie the 2 cats together? invalides doesn't fit as a sub-cat of the lion statue "in situ" in venice. Lx 121 (talk) 06:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It could go directly somewhere in   Category:Statues of the Lion of Saint Mark   or   Category:Statues of the Lion of Saint Mark by country.

We seem to have more than two of these statues: [1] Enhancing999 (talk) 14:34, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• yeah, & that's the problem. this is a specific object. usually it's in st. mark's square venice, but under napoleon 1 it was taken/looted & put on this fountain in paris for a while (among all the other plunder he stole from venice & elsewhere... ). so the invalides fountain is a subcat of the statute BUT NOT a subcat of its location in venice (& the paris location isn't even in the same country, but it's still the same specific object... )... Lx 121 (talk) 20:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • also; technically, it is debat.able whether the statue is "properly" of the lion of st. mark, as the core of the sculpture seems to be from pre-christian classical antiquity. it was later repurposed into a st. mark's lion statue (& patched up repeatedly), & currently it IS cross-categorised into another sculpture subject-type as well, not to mention location-of-origin (& neither of those should be a subcat of "lion of st. mark"). Lx 121 (talk) 20:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

also worth pointing out - there is a wikidata item & infobox for the statue as a specific object. so all our material about this statue needs to be grouped in a "unified" category to fit with that info structure. Lx 121 (talk) 21:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• i do think that Category:Lion of Venice, Piazzetta San Marco could be merged into Category: Column of the Lion in Piazzetta San Marco (Venice). there is some redundancy in having both cats, unless we wanted to distinguish btwn images showing the lion, & images showing the column? (or unless, the lion or the column, are separated (again) for some reason, etc.). Lx 121 (talk) 21:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]