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Have you considered the possibility that {{By quantity}} shouldn't include the {{MetaCat}} template? In fact, navigation templates should never automatically include {{MetaCat}}. -- DanielPenfield (talk) 03:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

@DanielPenfield: There are two types of categories I see using this template.

1. Categories with names like "Foo by quantity": these are metacats and need the metacat template one way or another
2. Categories with names like "4 foos": these are not metacats. I'm replacing the necessary code with better templates for defining these.

I'd be happy to have the metacat template added explicitly on the actual metacats (instead of being added by a template), but that would require also changing the categories of type 1 and that's not in the scope of what I'm currently doing. Are you thinking that just removing the metacat template from {{By quantity}} would make it useable for the categories of type 2? It seems to me that more would be needed. -- Auntof6 (talk) 03:51, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Your statement	My response
"There are two types of categories I see using this template. 1. Categories with names like "Foo by quantity": these are metacats and need the metacat template one way or another	Have you thought that through? There really shouldn't be "categories of type 1" as nobody should ever place a navigation template on a MetaCat as the primary key for the MetaCat is the navigation--MetaCats do not need additional navigation beyond the primary key.
"Categories with names like "4 foos": these are not metacats. I'm replacing the necessary code with better templates for defining these."	Actually, you're deleting them outright: [1], [2], [3]. I see no evidence of your "replacing" claim.
"Are you thinking that just removing the metacat template from {{By quantity}} would make it useable for the categories of type 2?"	No, I'm stating that nobody should use navigational templates on {{MetaCat}}s as the primary key for the MetaCat is the navigation--MetaCats do not need additional navigation beyond the primary key.

-- DanielPenfield (talk) 07:30, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

@DanielPenfield:

Part 1:

I'm not clear on what you're saying here. Metacats need/have various things, depending on the situation. A category called "Foo by quantity" could have the main category for Foo or a subcat of it. For example, Category:Paintings by museum is a subcat of Category:Paintings by location rather than of Category:Paintings. It could also have other things. See Category:Children by quantity for an example.

Part 2:

As I worked on these, I found that some of them only needed a template removed. I did do a lot of replacing as well, such as this and this, as well as this one where I did both a removal and a replacement. I'm sorry if my edit summaries didn't include enough detail about how I was resolving the issue I was working on.

Part 3:

They probably don't need it, but it also probably doesn't hurt anything. I tend to add navigation on a metacat's subcats instead of the metacat itself, with the possible exception of categories like Category:Structures in Africa by country where the nav template shows (via red links) which countries don't have subcats.

Not sure if this addresses your concerns. Let me know if I can elucidate further. -- Auntof6 (talk) 23:46, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

So per my deletion request, the template author states "Actually, I did not intend that for metacats. I created it for cats like Category:3 turtles, which I wanted to link to Category:1 turtle and the like...". The {{MetaCat}} addition literally preceded your mass removals by 6 calendar days. User:W like wiki added {{MetaCat}} to {{By quantity}} in this edit on December 21, 2023 and you embarked on your mass removals on December 27. You never should have performed these mass removals and I insist that you undo them forthwith. -- DanielPenfield (talk) 08:26, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

@DanielPenfield, Shāntián Tàiláng, and Auntof6: I am really sorry, that obviously my edit was the reason for this misunderstandig. My mistake was, to forgot that the by quantity template is not only used in categories type 1 like "Foo by quantity" (which are metacats) but also in categories type 2 like "4 foos" (which are not metacats). At DanielPenfield: please consider this when you forthwith insist that Auntof6 should do this or that (At this time metacat was included in the by quantity template so she did right when e.g. removing metacat from Category 5 people in the United States which is not a metacat). And there was also not a doc-page provided by template author Shāntián Tàiláng, maybe another reason for the misunderstanding (at least for your deletion request). Maybe I can help to revert some edits!?

Or maybe we can use this misunderstanding for an improval instead of just back to the old state. One idea: There is Template:qty group which is obviously exactly for categories type 2. There a navigation whould be helpful! So why not include the by quantity navigation into this template? With this changing many of the edits of Auntof6 where she added the Template:qty group are an improval and no need to revert them!? Just an idea, best Regards --W like wiki ^{good to know} 15:48, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Regarding Part 3 (no navigations on metacats): @DanielPenfield: What is the problem? I agree with Auntof6: It doesn't hurt anything. And a navigation can also help. Regards --W like wiki ^{good to know} 20:52, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

If someone knows a better place, please move this disussion there, maybe to Category talk:By quantity navigational templates. --W like wiki ^{good to know} 20:03, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

 moved to Category talk:By quantity navigational templates. Best Regards --W like wiki ^{good to know} 21:03, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Happy New Year. I was just wondering about you moving my paintings to a crowded category (per message posted in the Paintings category). That’s why I originally added them to a subcategory. Or what category should be appropriate, since I will be uploading more paintings. Also, another wiki editor moved drawings of mine to a subcategory similar to where I categorized my paintings. Miguel Angel Omaña Rojas (talk) 12:19, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Miguel Angel Omaña Rojas: I was working with many files recently. Can you give me the name of one of yours so I have an example to look at? -- Auntof6 (talk) 12:22, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Sure! For instance, this one. File:Catherine of Aragon idealized painting.jpg amongst others. My question wasn’t so much about the actual moving of categories, but more about me knowing where to categorize them in the future into a more proper category. Miguel Angel Omaña Rojas (talk) 12:28, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

That was in Category:Paintings by artist, which is a metacategory. The only entries in that category should be subcategories with names like "Paintings by John Doe" (or whoever the artist is). No files should be in a metacategory. I moved all the files in it up to the parent category.

You are right that the parent category is crowded, so it's better to put files in a subcategory (just not a metacategory). This particular painting could go in paintings of women, paintings of queens, or a similar category. In fact, since it's already in Category:Oil on panel, it could just be removed from the main paintings category. In general, files showing paintings can be put in categories for the artist, the material used, what they depict, when they were painted, where they're located, and probably other things.

Is there something that the images in your files have in common besides that fact that they're paintings? If they're by the same artist, then you can create a category for paintings by that artist and put them in there. Let me know if I can help further, and Happy New Year to you, too! --Auntof6 (talk) 12:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much on clarifying this. I’m still learning, so this helped a lot. One last question… in this case I’m the painter of this and other paintings. So when you suggest to create a category of paintings by artist for these and other paintings I will be uploading, is it appropriate for me to create such a category? Because of conflict of interest? Or are Wikimedia categories different? Miguel Angel Omaña Rojas (talk) 12:48, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Miguel Angel Omaña Rojas: Yes, creating the category would be fine. That's not the same as writing an article about yourself on Wikipedia. Just be sure not to include anything that looks like advertising. -- Auntof6 (talk) 13:07, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Sure thing! And again, thank you so much. Nice to meet you, have a wonderful 2024. Miguel Angel Omaña Rojas (talk) 13:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)