JJMC89

The pivotal moment in Raniere's PR was when he and his organization gave full cooperation to Forbes, only to wind up being depicted on the cover as "the world's strangest executive coach". We have innumerable sources which discuss this incident, the cover and its accompanying text, and the impact the publication had on the organization and its members.

The image itself conveys a DEEPLY anti-Raniere point of view that no text could ever replace. The inclusion of the image provides the reader with desperately needed context as to why the organization reacted so intensely to the cover and its accompanying text. 'The inclusion of this cover image significantly increases readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding'. Feoffer (talk) 10:27, 30 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

I suggest you explain that in the rationale. The current one is not sufficient – the section is not about Forbes as claimed. The article has a single sourced statement about the cover photo. The cover story may be significant, but the article doesn't have any sourced critical commentary on the cover photo, only the single statement: In October 2003, Raniere was featured, cloaked in shadows, on the cover of Forbes magazine, accompanied by the appellation "The World's Strangest Executive Coach". — JJMC89 03:42, 1 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your great feedback. I've written a better rationale!

It's true that the current text doesn't heavily cite the sources commenting on the actual visual elements of the cover, the Mise-en-scène if you will. But our sources do talk about the impact of the image. Consider: RSes cite that 2003 publication "stunned" members and was "the moment when Bronfmann became NXIVM's enemy" (with Raniere later being convicted of a felony against Bronfmann) -- and the cover image IS an integral part of that piece which sets the tone for the entire work. Sources don't say that NXIVM was furious over a TRANSCRIPT of the cover story, after all -- the cover IS part of the work that so upset them, that led to the Bronfmann bugging, and that led to the wiretap conviction; RSes basically draw a straight line from this publication to the subject's imprisonment. The article is most informative with the cover included. Feoffer (talk) 07:27, 2 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hey JJ, I saw your edit just now. Have you had a chance to look over the new rationale reflecting those revisions you requested? I'd really appreciate any advice you can give us editors on how to further meet your standard for include. Editors at Talk:Keith Raniere agree the the image is important and that article would benefit from inclusion, and I don't think you disagree, so hopefully there's a nice win-win here for both the editors creating the best article possible and the admins who keep Wikipedia running and compliant. I'm committed to finding it, with your help :) Feoffer (talk) 22:18, 3 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hi, your JJMC89 bot just removed some images from a draft I'm working on, without leaving any account of what had gone in the text. Had to hunt in the history to identify and locate the affected items. Since drafts are likely to go into mainspace after a while, it'd make more sense to comment them out so they can be restored without effort at a suitable time. Many thanks, Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:07, 2 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

One of your bots removed a couple figures of people from Project Mohole. I think I understand why. I comment here merely to note that the bot left behind an extra space where the figure was...perhaps by design? Anyways, as I was deleting the extra spaces it occurred to me that the bot should have done that. Yes? I make that suggestion. (no reply needed) Bdushaw (talk) 07:34, 3 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hello, how are you? Could you use the Xunlink to edit {{Portal}} and modify the renamed portals? Portal:Sexuality -> Portal:Human sexuality, Portal:Gender Studies -> Portal:Gender and Portal:Pornography -> Portal:Erotica and pornography. And delete links to Portal:Scientology too. Thanks. Guilherme Burn (talk) 11:50, 3 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

@Guilherme Burn: I've removed the Scientology portal links, but the script does not handle renames. — JJMC89 05:12, 5 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hello, the page for Julian W. Lucas was just deleted due to lack of notability and not enough credible sources. Today, literally another article was just posted via the Inquirer, one of the largest most respected news sources in the country and has won 20 Pulitzer Prizes, talking about him, his accomplishments, and his notability. The article literally has in the title that he is one of the first and only one armed models. https://www.inquirer.com/news/julian-w-lucas-tommy-hilfiger-model-actor-comedian-one-arm-from-bucks-county-20190703.html It's one of many articles done about him that are about him and not a trivial mention and are considered "Reliable" just as the Wikipedia guidelines are stated. These are also independent sources. According to the Wikipedia guidelines, Notability is defined as "For people, the person who is the topic of a biographical article should be "worthy of notice or "note"—that is, "remarkable" or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded" within Wikipedia as a written account of that person's life. "Notable" in the sense of being famous or popular—although not irrelevant—is secondary. " As he is one of the only one armed models ever, and is legitimately successful, documented, and followed, he clearly falls under the definition of Notability, being "worthy of notice" "note"—that is, "remarkable" or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded" as it is literally being done from various news outlets. I would like to be able to recreate the deleted Wikipedia article and have it successfully stay published as he is clearly deserving of one, and is clearly eligible based off of the current Wikipedia Guidelines. Livewire123 (talk) 19:24, 3 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

@Praxidicae, Onel5969, Bearcat, and Scope creep: Would this new source change you opinion on Lucas' notability? — JJMC89 05:18, 5 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

As I already said in the AFD, it would take several newspaper articles before he would pass WP:GNG. One news article in a daily newspaper is not a magic notability freebie all by itself: we need several newspaper articles, in reliable source dailies, before media coverage translates into notability. If one newspaper article was all it took to make somebody permanently notable, we'd have to keep an article about my mother's neighbour who once got into the local paper for finding a pig in her front yard. Also, sources have to be written in the third person by other people, not as Q&A interviews in which he's speaking about himself, before they count as support for notability — so this source would be fine for supplementary verification of stray facts if notability had already been covered off by much better sources than Queerty, but contributes zero points toward the GNG scale in and of itself. Bearcat (talk) 05:21, 5 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

No. It would need to cover WP:SIGCOV and this goes some way but it would need more depth of quality in any supposed sources and several more of the them. Up at WP:AFC three quality sources are the base standard to get the submission accepted, before other sources are used to verify specific facts in the article, so I don't accept this is anywhere enough. In a BLP article six or eight good refs from established sources is the standard. scope_creep^Talk 11:30, 5 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. Per the above, I will not undelete the article, and it should not be recreated. — JJMC89 04:06, 8 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Well, since SOMEBODY is gonna delete that super-encyclopedic Forbes pic, how about pics of the deceased NXIVM members who are discussed in the article: i.e. gina and kristin. I could upload them, incorporate them in the article, let you nominate them, argue with you, let you win, and then rewrite it -- or I could just ask you upfront if you'll allow the usage. Feoffer (talk) 01:14, 4 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

There's also an arrest photo, screenshot from one of his Youtube videos, Government Exhibit Showing Raniere, Times Union photo of Raniere's meeting with Dalai Lama. Any of those seem appropriate for inclusion? Feoffer (talk) 02:12, 4 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

I don't see how any of those would satisfy all 10 NFCC. — JJMC89 04:07, 8 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

You had deleted the article, please restore it. King John556 (talk) 04:44, 5 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Why? — JJMC89 05:19, 5 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hi admin! Please check Roman johnson (sock of blocked Sabeeh butt) and protect the creation of Jawani Phir Nahi Ani (film series), Thanks! M. Billoo 01:58, 7 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

I've blocked the sock and increased the protection level on that article. — JJMC89 04:15, 8 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hi JJMC89,

I was looking through my recent edits and image uploads on Wikimedia Commons and came across the LLamasoft logo I uploaded a few months back (I enjoy adding and maintaining logos on Wikipedia). I noticed that it was not referenced in any articles, so I did a bit of digging and came across the deletion request for the LLamasoft article that was completed a few weeks ago. I did a bit of extra research on the company to see if it is notable enough to warrant an article, and I think it may be worth re-creating the article to (1) provide information on one of the main competitors to Kinaxis and JDA Software (which both have articles), and (2) prevent confusion with Jeff Minter (the man who currently comes up when someone searches LLamasoft on Wikipedia). Furthermore, I have come across a number of reputable third-party references on the company that can be cited if we decide to proceed with the article re-creation.

I’d be happy to jump start the new LLamasoft article if you agree with my proposition.

Thanks, JC713 (talk) 05:37, 7 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

The article should only be recreated if the new article could address the reason for deletion: not satisfying the relevant notability guideline. Given how recent the discussion was, I doubt that would be possible. — JJMC89 04:22, 8 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the feedback. I am looking at the Kinaxis article, and LLamasoft seems equally as notable from what I have read. I am reading through their site and some of their customers seem to include Unilever, Dow Chemical, Michael Kors, and Wayfair. Also, on their CrunchBase, it states that the company received funding from TPG Capital, which has funded startups such as Lyft, AirBnB, and Uber. Wouldn't it be worthwhile to create a stub article, at the very least, that can be expanded upon as the company grows in size and notability? Kinaxis and JDA Software both have small, similarly-sized articles, and I do not see why LLamasoft, a competitor, should be left out. Thanks for taking the time to read my proposition. JC713 (talk) 23:40, 8 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hello JJMC89, I am editing my article on my sandbox. Why you delete it? Smlhd1993 (talk) 21:35, 7 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

My apologies. That was a mistake on my part due to the redirect to a nonexistent page you had at the beginning of the page. I restored it earlier. — JJMC89 04:18, 8 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hey JJMC89, if you have a minute could you review this acc request [1]. Thank you for your time, and i look forward to hearing from you.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 14:52, 8 July 2019 (UTC)Reply