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=== Part 1: Israel/Palestine (closed as 3/GUNREL) ===

{{archive top|'''Result''': I see a consensus for '''Option 3''' — going by the numbers (roughly, 3:1) as well as the relative strength of arguments — and note that most of the participants were okay-ish with deprecation too. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 14:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC){{pb}}'''Summary''': Multiple editors presented multiple evidences of ADL's unreliability on the topic and most of the participants were convinced by this evidence. However, a minority disagreed with the nature of this evidence, claiming that atleast some of the evidence—if not all—can be, at worst, classed under "bias" and hence not be perceived as grounds for unreliability; I do not find such a characterization convincing, even ignoring the lopsided numbers. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 06:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)}}

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There is also a broader pattern in controversies over pro-Palestinian advocacy in public life of the ADL using sweeping language to describe incidents in a way that lends greater force and legitimacy to their claims than their documentation supports. This issue can't be reduced to a rogue CEO. For example, take the [https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/snowballing-antisemitism-prompts-brandeis-center-and-adl-expand-civil press release] for the ADL and Brandeis center's expanded lawsuit against "snowballing antisemitism" in the Berkeley K-12 school district, which claims that {{tq|During an unauthorized teacher-promoted walkout for Palestine, no teachers intervened as students shouted, “Kill the Jews,” “KKK,” “Kill Israel,”}} alongside banal instances of pro-Palestinian sentiment like hanging a Palestinian flag in the window and writing "Stop bombing babies" on a sticky note. A reader who trusts the ADL's good reputation might assume they have video of all this, but when you read the actual [https://brandeiscenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Brandeis-Center-ADL-Complaint.pdf complaint], a lot of the most severe allegations, as well as nebulous claims like a teacher showing students "violent videos" are unsubstantiated by verifiable evidence. Some of the incidents the ADL is "documenting" here were apparently overheard by a first grader. [[User:Unbandito|Unbandito]] ([[User talk:Unbandito|talk]]) 04:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

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