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i'm not super sure how it works myself because i'm more familiar with keirin than six day racing. first, in the kierin it is basically just a few laps where i think 6 riders are paced (fairly slowly) by one motorbike for the first couple, then the motorbike pulls off and everybody sprints like crazy for the last 2 or 3.

for six day, each person has their own pacer. and i imagine that the pacer and rider have to be fairly well in tune so they can go as fast as possible without the rider getting dropped by the pacer. what makes it really exciting is the speeds that they can go at because of the slipstream effect. i think they can average 30-40 miles an hour for quite a distance, i read upto 50 mph somewhere! Will.law 15:55, 6 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

I looked over the site. It seems pretty, I kinda like the layout. They've given themselves a larger scope than we have with the Cookbook, including bios of famous chefs, food festivals, food columns, and interviews with contributors. It actually seems like a fairly well done idea.

They're using some Wikibooks and Wikipedia content without proper attribution. I've left a comment at one of their talk pages, and should probibly look back for a reply. It looks like everything they're posting right now is in the public domain, which again causes problems, as Wikimedia content is not public domain, and others may reuse the content from their site and not know they're infringing on our contributors' copyright rites.

I'll look around a few times, just to see what's going on, and how they're progressing. Thanks for letting me know about the site. Gentgeen 23:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi

Listen, the 3RR states " The policy states that an editor must not perform more than three reversions, in whole or in part, on a single Wikipedia article within a 24 hour period." So don't misquote it. So what if 2 contributors disagree, that leaves just over 6 Billion people that dont, and those two will give up and move on to something else sometime soon.

A link to a breakfast talk radio show hardly meets Wiki standards ! You have to be joking...

Whilsts neither you nor I are likely to agree with the website owner, he is a qualified medical professional and the vegan child abuse trial is referenced in far better detail than elsewhere. And being " horrible " in the opinion of one contributor - no one or everyone is an editor here - hardly constitutes academic reason. I would say that immediately undercuts their credibility.

And for the record, I have been a vegan for over 20 years known to executive members of the Vegan Society. I am just not a wussy vegan afraid to face the ugly truths and often stupidities of our peers. The best PR is honesty and bravery to face what is not attractive.

195.82.106.244 21:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I saw you added a supercategory for the season categories and a {{recipe}} tag to the category pages. Great work, but shouldn't that template be {{cooknav}} or something for ingredients? Now they're showing up in the recipe listing, and they're not really recipes. risk 23:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Can you move it? I can't find the "move" link that's supposed to be there. Ants Go Marching 16:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Ok, I thought maybe I was misremembering. Do you know how to move the category? Ants Go Marching 02:59, 1 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

yep, that's for sure. <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/cycling/1998/tourdefrance/news/1998/08/02/drug_chronology/">1998</a> all over again. Will.law 03:07, 1 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

If you look at Wikipedia's monobook.css file, near the top, you'll see a section called /* BEGIN LIGHT BLUE SECTION */, where the default background color is set to light blue, then changed to white for the main namespace using css commands with ".ns-0" in the command line. The same technique could be used for the Cookbook's namespace, by using css commands that include the ".ns-102" (I think) for the main cookbook, and ".ns-103" for the cookbook talk namespace. It could also be used for more than just background colors. 71.132.3.124 22:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

oops, that was me. Gentgeen 22:01, 5 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, it will be cool. I've already modified my style sheet to make Cookbook pages have a white background again. I'll have to look at the other things we can do with styles. Gentgeen 22:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hadn't notice that (though I had actually read a bunch of those pages). The "gardening" book is being replaced... it's actually just a transcription of an old (and out-of date) book. I'll make a new template for the new book, maybe something similar for linking back to the cookbook as well. Johnny 14:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

Just to give you an update: I've created a template ( ((Veggiegrowing|ARTICLE)) ) that I'm adding to ingredient pages as WmG chapters are added. I'll probably add a few pages too... Mustard Greens and Tatsoi coming soon (BTW, I'm going to add "Pac Choi" as a redirect to "Bok Choy" on the ingredients list as a way of disambigging. SB_Johnny 17:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

I left the old one because the new book doesn't yet have chapters to replace all of the ones linked in. It's also because the new book is multivolume, so it needs a different template for fruits, herbs, and vegetables in any case. SB_Johnny 09:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the tip, although I'm not sure what prompted it... FWIW, I also consider cake a 'morning/afternoon tea' food (like biscuitscookies) as well as a dessert (which is rather a course than a meal, but I get what you're saying)... unfortunately there is quite a lot of variance in the English-speaking world regarding meals. cheers --pfctdayelise 13:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

Ah I see. Sorry, then. Feel free to revert! I have to say I have trouble considering a cake as a dessert though. Pudding, which is surely just warm cake maybe with sauce, yes. But cold cake you eat with coffee, my brain just says no. :) --pfctdayelise 16:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the head's up about the COTM. I'll look for a more appropriate image (there should be one on commons, I would hope) or else I will try to make one and upload it myself. The wording seems good so far, so i dont think it needs to get changed too too much. --Whiteknight(talk) (projects) 13:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

I don't know if you have heard about this yet or not. We have created a new proposed policy to replace the old proposed Wikibooks:General voting rules policy. This new version doesn't require hard percentages, and puts a strong focus on the idea of concensus. Your comments/questions/suggestions on this new policy would be well appreciated. I would like to put this new policy to a vote sometime next week (assuming we all stop changing it around). --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 18:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your comments. I created multiple subpages for the various versions and revisions of this policy, so that we can view them side-by-side, and pick the ones that are best. I took the liberty of copying your proposed version to Wikibooks:General voting rules/Proposal/Version 4. I left you some comments about it on the discussion page. The gist of my comments are that I like your proposal, but i think it needs more prose, and It needs more emphasis on the key ideas of consensus, compromise, etc. Take a look at some of the previous versions, and see if you find any that you like. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 14:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

I wrote out a prose-version of your policy: Wikibooks:General voting rules/Proposal/Version 5. I tried to be as faithful as possible to your points, but I wanted to make it easier to read. You can feel free to edit things that you don't think are faithful to your original text. I think that wording like this, along with some small additions (User:Robert Horning proposed additional text that would allow a future increase in the minimum contribution number, and User:RobinH mentioned a few small changes) would be acceptable to everybody. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 20:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Is there a spot in the cookbook for these, or should I redirect them to Bartending? (See Transwiki:Cookbook:Tiki_Bar_TV_recipes for an example... I think I've seen others as well). SB_Johnny | ^talk 22:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

During my roamings, I've run across other food and drink related topics, including information on drying and canning, slaughtering, commercial food service, etc. I'm wondering if these should be a mainpage category, or should they just be a how-to category. Any opinions?

Also, does the cookbook have a cover page? I was thinking of making nicer templates for use on wikipedia using bookcovers for the gardening book, and thought it would be nice for the cookbook too (the current template (to me) seems a bit dull). If you have a good image for that use, please let me know.

Finally just a shameless plug: would you be interested in voting in my RfA? --SB_Johnny | ^talk 09:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

1. If they are applicable, they should be merged into the cookbook. Some of them might be better as standalone howtos, but the cookbook currently serves as an umbrella book for all food-related items.
2. The cookbook has a "cover" which also serves as a table of contents: Cookbook.

Kellen ^T 14:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

They're definitely stand-alones... I'll leave you some links tomorrow morning (just popping in now... have company over).

For the cover, I was more thinking of an image (hopefully colorful) that would replace the "wikibooks" icon on the WP template. I had invisioned something like an iron pan with colorful veggies or something along those lines. I've "spoken" with quite a few people on WP who see the "wikibooks has more about..." template as being along the lines of "the soviet union also has swimming pools, though of course they're not as nice as wikipedian swimming pools". Blue and grey, blah.

BTW: I keep thinking of adding some of my recipes to the cookbook, but they're really not very good reading. "Put a bit of olive oil in a very hot iron pan, add freshly picked baby squash, aslt and pepper, cook 45 seconds, serve." Should that be a separate recipe, or should I just put that sort of thing on the "ingredients" page?

I kind of wonder in general if there should be this sort of thing somehow tied into ingredient pages: a simple way to cook up an ingredient you might not be familiar with as a way of "acquiring the taste". I think it would be a good way of helping people know how to incorporate things like asian greens and such if they had a simple recipe for just "taste-testing", so that they'd know how an ingredient tastes just by itself, and can then extrapolate how it will affect a "whatever's in the fridge" meal.

Whaddya think? --SB_Johnny | ^talk 18:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Basically you're suggesting that we need a custom logo for the cookbook, and you're right. I mocked one up a while back with a chef's hat and a crossed knife and fork on the wikibooks logo, but it wasn't really what I wanted. If you have any artistic inclinations, I say you should go for it and try to knock one out. Most of the other cookbook contributors (Albert, Gentgeen, etc) are inactive at the moment (and I'm not using the internets as much as usual) so we could use some new energy.

We sometimes have "basic preparation" on ingredients pages. This would especially be appropriate for "best" cutting techniques, but simple cooking techniques would also be good. Kellen ^T 20:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

I'll take a pic of an iron pan with bright colored yummies and run it by you.

Not sure what "'best' cutting techniques" means. --SB_Johnny | ^talk 22:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Like how you can cut the top off an onion, then slice it in half, peel it, then cut most of the way through it, laterally, then cut slices into it, and finally chop it into tiny square bits. Or how you can do a single side cut on a bell pepper, then cut the stem out while rolling the pepper to end up with a nice flat bit of bell pepper. Kellen ^T 23:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Oh... yes, that would be a good thing to include. --00:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

People generally have very poor knife technique (me included), but often only need to be shown/told once a good way to cut something before they adopt it. CUT! Kellen ^T 06:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

I'll try to put some of that in as I get the gardening modules done. Also some hints on how to judge is something is ripe, overripe, etc. --SB_Johnny | ^talk 10:48, 23 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

See {{Growit}}. I actually just chose a random image from commons (which I'll change from time to time on the template), can you think of anything that would work for the cookbook (and look good at 50px)? I'd at least like to get one going for linking to the cookbook from the garden book (also to and from the bartending book for both books). What's a good background color for a cookbook link? --SB_Johnny | ^talk 21:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Maybe this image? (It's nice and colorful). --SB_Johnny | ^talk 13:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

How do you like it?? How are the snax?? Ps. update yr user page. Also I saw John Wiese on Saturday and he said he was excited to run into you in London! Dingdong! jessalyn 17:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

I am sorry to disturb, but I have a problem. I went to the Cookbook page and then clicked to discussion. But then there opens a page, which is not like the normal discussion sides. Instead of the discussion, there is a box. I was wondering, where the normal discussion takes place? Because there was no normal discussion, I clicked to "edit" and wrote into the box, because of cooking lessons. Then you edited this and wrote: "elaborate the lessons thing on the actual talk page, thx". I would do that, if there were one. Where is it? Thank you for an answer. -- 84.132.119.6 15:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the message, and for noticing me in the sea of recent changes! I have photos somewhere, but I just can't seem to find the disc copies. Perhaps they're on another computer: I'll look next time I'm there. Anyway, pointing those pages out to me is much appreciated, but I'm not sure how much I can contribute, since my time is already squeezed due to Wikipedia, Wiktionary and WiktionaryZ :). I principally add recipes here since I get bored of repeating them over and over to people: this way I can just give links them ;). Anyway, I've rabbitted enough. Have a great day! Kind regards, Celestianpower 23:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I've worked on Sambal Tempoyak, which you tagged {{cookwork|Ingredients need further description}}. Please check it out if you find the page improved enough to remove the template. Thanks. --BorgQueen 22:04, 16 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Wikibooks:Request for enabling special:import

This would make the transwiki of recipes from en.wp a lot easier (recipes seem to make up the majority of w:Category:Copy to Wikibooks). The folks at meta have asked for a show of local support for turning it on. --SB_Johnny | ^talk 12:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

One more thing to smooth out the transwiki process... Wikibooks:Request_for_enabling_special:import#Additional_request. We're asking that "Transwiki:" be given namespace status so we can import to it directly. --SB_Johnny | ^talk 19:51, 16 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi and thanks for the welcome. I hope that I'll have the time to make some contributions here, particlarly to cookery. So far I've just worked on getting some recipes into proper alpha category order (a lot under "C" for Cookbook seemed a little unhelpful!). Hope I'm doing the right thing? Regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 14:50, 18 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Point taken and I will vote but as the vote started 2 years ago maybe I'll do some clean up too. Finding "Paella" under "C" is just too strange for me and I guess unhelpful for the casual reader. Is there a way of getting the necessary Cookbook: prefix into links (far more tedious than correctly arraging cats in my mind!)?

Whatever else - thanks for your patience with a newby - you'll get peace for a bit as I'm away for the weekend! -Herby ^{talk thyme} 12:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the response. Hopefully I'll stop bugging folk with questions soon but I do appreciate your patience. I hope my contributions will make it all worthwhile! Regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 16:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Sure but is one preferred? --Herby ^{talk thyme} 19:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Apologies - I'll revert/correct them over the next few hours. Trying new things and happy to hear when I get it wrong --Herby ^{talk thyme} 15:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

OK there weren't that many so they are done. Is the actual page name or {{PAGENAME}} the preferred method? Regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 15:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thanks again - I think the thread got confused and so did I! I'll use {{PAGENAME}} from now on. Regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 06:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

I think you are getting to it by the look of it but the same IP strangely edited Tuna too. Regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 09:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Guess I missed you. I've looked at the edits to Tuna and I'm not sure what is valid if anything? --Herby ^{talk thyme} 10:47, 29 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

I just nominated you for adminship... you of all people might find the tools handy and useful.

I actually find it hard to believe that you weren't nominated before (actually, I was under the impression you had been but declined, but couldn't find evidence of that in the archive). As I have no doubt this nomination will be successful, I offer my assistance if you have any question about how the tools work (only fair, since you've helped me understand so many things in the past!) --SB_Johnny | ^talk 16:21, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations, you are now a sysop. User:SBJohnny and I have been toying with the idea of "new administrator mentorship", so if you have any questions, need any help, or anything, please let us know. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 17:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your message about the incorrect categories. I am aware of this and noticed that all the recipes were being listed under M. I'm in the process of fixing them all but it'll take me a bit of time. Thanks. Xania 20:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi Kellen - I notice that you have not been around for a while - I do hope all is well? Regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 08:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

I'd offer you a hand with the moving but it will be a "virtual one". Hope it goes well --Herby ^{talk thyme} 10:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Good to have you back - have you moved or is the stress getting to you?! I no expert on acceptability here but I think I agree. You may fancy taking a look at Miracles while you are in the mood (& of course you may want to read up on Future it kind of survived on a technicality. Regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 08:55, 12 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

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Why do you tag them, rather than just deleting them? :) Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion is a good page to keep an eye on in general... material from the cookbook often appears there. --SB_Johnny | ^talk 18:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

You get used to doing things a certain way; forgot I was an admin. Kellen ^T 10:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)Reply