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*::::::::::::::Darn, [[Wikipedia_talk:Article_alerts/Bugs#Bot_appears_to_insert_the_deprecated_Template:Hover_title|I thought that would be fixed already]], but [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Yugoslavia/Article_alerts&diff=prev&oldid=1114386608 here's one from five hours ago]. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 05:21, 7 October 2022 (UTC) |
*::::::::::::::Darn, [[Wikipedia_talk:Article_alerts/Bugs#Bot_appears_to_insert_the_deprecated_Template:Hover_title|I thought that would be fixed already]], but [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Yugoslavia/Article_alerts&diff=prev&oldid=1114386608 here's one from five hours ago]. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 05:21, 7 October 2022 (UTC) |
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*:::::::::::::::It was very short notice (that is, I was not aware the template was switched until Jonesey95's report), so it's still the old syntax for a little while. I can ping whoever needs to finish the merge after a newer bot's version is deployed. — <small> [[user:Hellknowz|<span style="color: #B00;">HELL</span>KNOWZ]] <b>∣</b> [[User talk:Hellknowz|TALK]]</small> 19:40, 7 October 2022 (UTC) |
*:::::::::::::::It was very short notice (that is, I was not aware the template was switched until Jonesey95's report), so it's still the old syntax for a little while. I can ping whoever needs to finish the merge after a newer bot's version is deployed. — <small> [[user:Hellknowz|<span style="color: #B00;">HELL</span>KNOWZ]] <b>∣</b> [[User talk:Hellknowz|TALK]]</small> 19:40, 7 October 2022 (UTC) |
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*::::::::::::::::OK, the bot above has been updated, and the transclusions have all been replaced except for two protected pages. If an admin is available to subst the template on those pages (they use {{tl|H:title}}), the rest of this deletion can proceed. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 15:19, 14 October 2022 (UTC) |
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Tools
There are several tools that can help when implementing TfDs. Some of these are listed below.
- Template linking and transclusion check - Toolforge tool to see which pages are transcluded but not linked from/to a template
- WhatLinksHereSnippets.js - user script that allows for template use to be viewed from the Special:WhatLinksHere page
- AutoWikiBrowser – Semi-automatic editor that can replace or modify templates using regular expressions
- Bots – Robots editing automatically. All tasks have to be approved before operating. There are currently five bots with general approval to assist with implementing TfD outcomes:
- AnomieBOT - substituting templates via User:AnomieBOT/TFDTemplateSubster
- SporkBot - general TfD implementation run by Plastikspork
- PrimeBOT - general TfD implementation run by Primefac
- BsherrAWBBOT – general TfD implementation run by Bsherr
- PearBOT II – general TfD implementation run by Trialpears
Closing discussions
The closing procedures are outlined at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Closing instructions.
To review
Templates for which each transclusion requires individual attention and analysis before the template is deleted.
- 2020 December 19 – Hover title ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) and 2020 December 19 – Tooltip ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- SMcCandlish What's the status of this one? I feel like you're the person with the best grasp of what needs to be done and if you could implement it that would be lovely. --Trialpears (talk) 16:57, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- It's been on hold (since no one else is working on it). I think where I got in the sandboxing is about as good as it's going to get. I did solicit further input and analysis, and will have to check again, but I don't think there were further improvement suggestions. I'll probably need to set aside an entire day to pore over it all again and re-test. And that day is not today. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 13:00, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
- Some gnome work today by two editors has reduced this template's transclusion count from about 70,000 to 3,600. A supervised AWB run is needed. See this talk thread for more details. Pinging SMcCandlish and Plastikspork, who might be able to continue the progress. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:33, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I can't see anything to be done here other than reducing the transclusion count to 0; the
{{Hover title}}
and{{Tooltip}}
templates are directly incompatible (they have opposite parameter orders for|1=
and|2=
, so there's no way to just merge them and have existing transclusions of{{Hover title}}
work as redirects to{{Tooltip}}
). It's going to be a whole bunch of individual edits like this and this and (headache) this. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 23:32, 4 October 2022 (UTC) - PS: I would suggest taking all of
{{Hover title}}
's redirects, like{{H:title}}
, first and eliminating transclusions of them (e.g. these), then redirecting them to{{Tooltip}}
or listing them at WP:RFD if we don't think we want to keep the template redirect in question. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 23:34, 4 October 2022 (UTC)- The "headache" edit is much easier if you replace
Hover title|
withtooltip|2=
, like this, with the caveat that you have to ensure that the thing immediately following the pipe is not|link=
or|dotted=
. Hence the suggestion of an AWB run; the find/replace string is straightforward and can start by replacing something like(hover *title|h:title)\|
where the first part of the following string is not "link" or "dotted" withtooltip|2=
(fake regexes, obviously, but you get the idea). – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:02, 5 October 2022 (UTC)- SMcCandlish or Trialpears or someone else, I just had a crazy and probably foolish idea. Can you please take a look at {{Hover title/sandbox}} and Template:Hover title/testcases? Can we just put something like that sandbox code into the live template and then get a bot to subst all of the instances? It's not perfect, because substing
{{hover title/sandbox|Foobar|Foo}}
results in{{tooltip|1=Foo|2=Foobar|link=|dotted=}}
(note the extra parameters, which will clutter up thousands of pages). But something close to that might work. It probably needs a little safesubst magic, which I have not leveled up to yet. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC)- Something toward that aim could work. First would be just dropping all the
|dotted=
input and not emitting that parameter, since{{Tooltip}}
doesn't have one. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 04:07, 5 October 2022 (UTC)- This sandbox [1] may be what to use, plus some safesubst magic. It would be nice not to emit an empty
|link=
but I'm not sure how to tell it "generate|link=input
only when input evaluates to 'yes'". The leading|
is the problem. I tried escaping it as{{!}}
but that didn't work [2]. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 04:28, 5 October 2022 (UTC)|dotted=
appears to be supported by {{tooltip}}. See Template:Tooltip/testcases#Using_the_dotted=no_parameter and the template's code. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)- I always use
{{SAFESUBST:<noinclude/>#if:{{{{{subst|subst:}}}ns:0}}...
for subst'able wrappers with potentially empty parameters so that I can code them up to not pass them through if they don't exist. Would keep things a little neater for the bot subst. Primefac (talk) 10:01, 5 October 2022 (UTC)- As I said above, I need to level up to make sense of that code, and the examples on the Help:Subst page did not help me enough, but I made it work after a bunch of testing. AnomieBOT is working on the replacements now, and every one I have checked has worked perfectly (fingers crossed). – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:12, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- These substitutions are all done except for two protected User Talk pages. After those are done, I think this template and its subpages and redirects can be deleted. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:39, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- I think it is better to wait till AAlertBot is updated to use {{Tooltip}}. Otherwise it will keep edit warring [3]. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 04:48, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Darn, I thought that would be fixed already, but here's one from five hours ago. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:21, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- It was very short notice (that is, I was not aware the template was switched until Jonesey95's report), so it's still the old syntax for a little while. I can ping whoever needs to finish the merge after a newer bot's version is deployed. — HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 19:40, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- OK, the bot above has been updated, and the transclusions have all been replaced except for two protected pages. If an admin is available to subst the template on those pages (they use {{H:title}}), the rest of this deletion can proceed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:19, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- It was very short notice (that is, I was not aware the template was switched until Jonesey95's report), so it's still the old syntax for a little while. I can ping whoever needs to finish the merge after a newer bot's version is deployed. — HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 19:40, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Darn, I thought that would be fixed already, but here's one from five hours ago. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:21, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- I think it is better to wait till AAlertBot is updated to use {{Tooltip}}. Otherwise it will keep edit warring [3]. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 04:48, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- These substitutions are all done except for two protected User Talk pages. After those are done, I think this template and its subpages and redirects can be deleted. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:39, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- As I said above, I need to level up to make sense of that code, and the examples on the Help:Subst page did not help me enough, but I made it work after a bunch of testing. AnomieBOT is working on the replacements now, and every one I have checked has worked perfectly (fingers crossed). – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:12, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- I always use
- This sandbox [1] may be what to use, plus some safesubst magic. It would be nice not to emit an empty
- Something toward that aim could work. First would be just dropping all the
- SMcCandlish or Trialpears or someone else, I just had a crazy and probably foolish idea. Can you please take a look at {{Hover title/sandbox}} and Template:Hover title/testcases? Can we just put something like that sandbox code into the live template and then get a bot to subst all of the instances? It's not perfect, because substing
- The "headache" edit is much easier if you replace
- Yeah, I can't see anything to be done here other than reducing the transclusion count to 0; the
- Some gnome work today by two editors has reduced this template's transclusion count from about 70,000 to 3,600. A supervised AWB run is needed. See this talk thread for more details. Pinging SMcCandlish and Plastikspork, who might be able to continue the progress. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:33, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- It's been on hold (since no one else is working on it). I think where I got in the sandboxing is about as good as it's going to get. I did solicit further input and analysis, and will have to check again, but I don't think there were further improvement suggestions. I'll probably need to set aside an entire day to pore over it all again and re-test. And that day is not today. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 13:00, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
- SMcCandlish What's the status of this one? I feel like you're the person with the best grasp of what needs to be done and if you could implement it that would be lovely. --Trialpears (talk) 16:57, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- 2021 May 13 – Auto_archiving_notice ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) - merge into {{Talk_header}}, replace uses with either that template or {{archives}} as appropriate.
- 2020 September 11 – Module:Jct/city/Chinissai ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) and 2020 September 11 – Module:Jcttop/core/Chinissai ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- See also phab:T263340. --Gonnym (talk) 18:08, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
To merge
Templates to be merged into another template.
Infoboxes
- 2021 August 31 – Infobox_Sanremo_Music_Festival ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) - merge to {{Infobox song contest}}
- Merge into the singular {{infobox ship}} (currently a redirect):
- 2022 April 30 – Infobox_ship_begin ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 April 30 – Infobox_ship_career ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 April 30 – Infobox_ship_characteristics ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 April 30 – Infobox_ship_class_overview ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 April 30 – Infobox_ship_image ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 April 30 – Infobox_service_record ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- I have hacked Module:Infobox ship which implements ship infoboxen without the external wikitable that the above templates require. Uses Module:Infobox;
{{infobox ship begin}}
is no longer required; parameter names are changed from sentence- to snake-case; section header height for career, characteristics, service record sections is normalized; custom fields are supported. I chose to retain the individual section templates as subtemplates:{{Infobox ship/image}}
{{Infobox ship/career}}
{{Infobox ship/characteristic}}
{{Infobox ship/class}}
{{Infobox ship/service record}}
– Module:Infobox ship implements only the 'ship' portion of{{Infobox service record}}
- In the main infobox these subtemplates are called with the
|section<n>=
parameters (aliases of|data<n>=
). - Comparisons between wikitable infoboxen and Module:Infobox ship infoboxen can bee seen at my sandbox (permalink).
- —Trappist the monk (talk) 14:57, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Since the intent is to use Module:Infobox directly, why is Module:Infobox ship being used to generate the infobox? I can understand if there is need for a backend module to validate a value or something, but is there really a reason to have this unique code? Gonnym (talk) 17:50, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- The original complaint was that the ship infoboxen templates are
table templates masquerading as infobox templates
. None of those templates use Module:Infobox. Module:Infobox ship answers that complaint. Yeah, we still have subtemplates, but, in my opinion, that is a good thing because the appropriate parameters and their data are contained in each particular subtemplate. The container subtemplates make it relatively easy for an editor reading an article's wikitext to understand. The current ship infobox system allows sections in any order (except for the position of{{infobox ship begin}}
– not needed with Module:Infobox ship); whatever the final outcome of this mess, that facility must not be lost. - Module:Infobox ship does do some error checking (synonymous parameters
|ship_armor=
/|ship_armour=
,|ship_draft=
/|ship_draught=
,|ship_honors=
/|ship_honours=
, and|ship_stricken=
/|ship_struck=
). Whether{{infobox ship}}
directly calls Module:Infobox or whether{{infobox ship}}
calls Module:Infobox ship which then calls Module:Infobox is really immaterial so long as the final rendered result is a correctly formatted infobox. - —Trappist the monk (talk) 19:06, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Trappist the monk are you still interested in working on this Module? If not, I'd like to try to get it finished myself. The massive deviation I had in mind was to make one invocation of the module do everything. Each page will require individual attention to complete the merge into a proper infobox anyway, so I reason to go the extra mile to make it nicer in general. Repeatable parameters will have the normal n number appended to the end of the parameter. An alternative would be to have subboxes for repeating sections, which would be easier in general to replace and implement. SWinxy (talk) 20:26, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
- Sure, but I don't think that this page is the proper place to discuss. Choose some place more proper and let me know where that is?
- —Trappist the monk (talk) 22:58, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Trappist the monk are you still interested in working on this Module? If not, I'd like to try to get it finished myself. The massive deviation I had in mind was to make one invocation of the module do everything. Each page will require individual attention to complete the merge into a proper infobox anyway, so I reason to go the extra mile to make it nicer in general. Repeatable parameters will have the normal n number appended to the end of the parameter. An alternative would be to have subboxes for repeating sections, which would be easier in general to replace and implement. SWinxy (talk) 20:26, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
- The original complaint was that the ship infoboxen templates are
- Since the intent is to use Module:Infobox directly, why is Module:Infobox ship being used to generate the infobox? I can understand if there is need for a backend module to validate a value or something, but is there really a reason to have this unique code? Gonnym (talk) 17:50, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- I have hacked Module:Infobox ship which implements ship infoboxen without the external wikitable that the above templates require. Uses Module:Infobox;
- {{Infobox_sports_season}} mergers:
- 2022 June 18 – Infobox_league_season ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 July 1 – Infobox_Claxton_Shield ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 August 29 – Infobox_Australian_baseball_season ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 June 26 – Infobox_disputed_islands ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) - merge to {{Infobox_islands}}
- 2022 June 29 – Infobox_Australian_baseball_team ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) - merge to {{Infobox_baseball_team}}
- 2022 July 3 – Infobox_basketball_series ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) - merge to {{Infobox_basketball_final}}
- {{Infobox_college_football_game}} merger:
- 2022 July 5 – Infobox_college_football_single_game ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 July 5 – Infobox_college_football_single_game_mini_header ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 July 5 – Infobox_NCAA_football_yearly_game ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 July 5 – Infobox_NCAA_FCS_football_yearly_game ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 July 5 – Infobox_NCAA_University_Division_ice_hockey_season ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) - merge into {{Infobox_NCAA_ice_hockey_season}}
- 2022 October 5 – Infobox_OHA_team ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 October 5 – Infobox_ice_hockey_team ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- None currently
Link templates
- 2021 May 6 – IOC profile ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2021 May 6 – Olympic Channel ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 October 6 – Bibleverse ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 October 6 – Bibleverse-lb ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 October 6 – Bibleverse-nb ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 October 6 – Biblesource ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 October 6 – Bibleref2 ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 October 6 – Bibleref2-nb ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 October 6 – Bibleref2c ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 October 6 – Bibleref2c-nb ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
Other
- 2020 February 1 – Football_squad_player2 ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) and 2020 February 1 – Football_squad_player ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- Note Pending Redesign RfC robertsky (talk) 18:51, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
- I've closed the RfC. Mdaniels5757 (talk) 15:15, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- At this point this is ready for large scale replacement. I said a while ago that I could do it but due to me being quite busy IRL this seems unlikely to get done in a timely manner. If you feel like doing a large scale replacement job feel free to take this one. --Trialpears (talk) 17:34, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Trialpears, what large-scale replacement? I (foolishly?) jumped into this rabbit hole, and have been in it for over a day now. This is a very complex merge; I've got the documentation diff to show fewer differences, but there's still more to be done. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:04, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Note Pending Redesign RfC robertsky (talk) 18:51, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
- 2021 June 18 – Clickable_button ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) and 2021 June 18 – Clickable_button_2 ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- I made a few changes to Module:Clickable button 2/sandbox that would combine the functionalities of the two different templates. Someone may want to review that. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 23:21, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- MJL, as our resident expert on this module, what in-line changes need to be made to {{clickable button}} calls in order to get them working properly with the module? The /doc examples don't give a clear enough indication of the differences, and to me it looks like they run on the same syntax. (please do not ping on reply) Primefac (talk) 11:55, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Primefac: So, my current computer is bricked a la an upgrade to Windows 11. I'll have to get back to you on this until it gets fixed, sorry. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 02:51, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- Friendly nudge. Primefac (talk) 13:08, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the extra ping:
- The current main 2 blockers are #brackets and pipe in label and #URL placed as label. I am not sure how common the second thing is, but I know the first is a real thing that would break things like User:TheJJJunk/Backlog. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 02:58, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- @MJL I've made a change to the sandbox which should fix the brackets and the pipe (tested it with only a limited amount of testcases). Take a look and hopefully that helps. Gonnym (talk) 10:27, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: It broke a lot of other things (#No link, #1st set nil; 2nd unset, and #Brackets around 1st) sadly. Though, it's definitely a good start! –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 16:22, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, with the most recent changes, we're almost all set for a merge. {{Clickable button 2}} generates the button within the link while {{Clickable button}} never generated a link by itself, so I just got a run AWB or something to migrate current uses of {{Clickable button}} correctly. Give me a few days to get that done. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 18:52, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- @MJL I've made a change to the sandbox which should fix the brackets and the pipe (tested it with only a limited amount of testcases). Take a look and hopefully that helps. Gonnym (talk) 10:27, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Friendly nudge. Primefac (talk) 13:08, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Primefac: So, my current computer is bricked a la an upgrade to Windows 11. I'll have to get back to you on this until it gets fixed, sorry. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 02:51, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- MJL, as our resident expert on this module, what in-line changes need to be made to {{clickable button}} calls in order to get them working properly with the module? The /doc examples don't give a clear enough indication of the differences, and to me it looks like they run on the same syntax. (please do not ping on reply) Primefac (talk) 11:55, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
- I made a few changes to Module:Clickable button 2/sandbox that would combine the functionalities of the two different templates. Someone may want to review that. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 23:21, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Merge the Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates/dim: guidance to 2022 March 3 – Coord-doc-dim ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 July 4 – Import-blanktable ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) and 2022 July 4 – Row_hover_highlight ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
Meta
- Merge with Template:Infobox Chinese
- 2017 April 7 – Infobox name module ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 1.5 years later I've taken another look. The merger itself doesn't look toooo bad but I'm really not a fan of adding "Infobox Chinese" to tons of articles not related to China in the slightest. The 2019 RM didn't go too well though and it's perhaps best to try to at least partially take a look at the (imo not so relevant) things cited as issues in the RM. These are adding support for some other major languages which is currently partially or completely missing (Arabic, Hebrew, Urdu if I'm not mistaken, Greek and probably a few more). The ordering support is also somewhat lacking which would be a pain to fix if it wasn't a module. I'm not particularly trilled about taking it on but I'm not a fan of having this ancient merger around indefinitely either. Trappist the monk you seem like the obvious person to ask since you both developed the module and is the language guru, but it's completely understandable to not want to touch this. --Trialpears (talk) 23:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- If I remember correctly, I wrote Module:Infobox multi-lingual name to consolidate multiple various templates (with all of their unique peculiarities) into a single source. Then I wrote a long long document describing the things that should be done to make the whole mess more sensible. Alas, I lost that document as the result of a catastrophic computer failure which was perhaps serendipitous because of the drama the would inevitably arise – you know how wikipedians hate hate hate change because oh my god the sky is falling. In retrospect, I came to realize that the better solution is to restart as a fresh design beginning with a whole new specification. If the fresh design is any good it can organically take over from existing infoboxen without drama. I have done nothing to advance that because, as you can see, it appears that wikipedians are more-or-less happy with the crap template that I wrote. And, it appears, that wikipedians couldn't give two hoots about merging the two infoboxen because nigh on four years since the tfds and here the merge lingers... Better to declare the merger dead and get on with life?
- —Trappist the monk (talk) 00:20, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Regarding the name - keep in mind we can create any number of useful redirects if adding "...Chinese" to something that isn't is a problem. That being said, if it gets built into a location-neutral module, it would make so much sense to rename the main template (wink wink). Primefac (talk) 13:14, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- It's a mess right now but I think the problem isn't that people don't care but that there are very few people who feel confident enough with both the lua and the languages to take it on and the few who do either don't want to get involved in the drama side or are simply busy elsewhere. I think I may deal with it after I've finished the mergers I've started but then there won't be any huge improvements to the module but rather just what's required for the merger. No matter what a second RM is coming. --Trialpears (talk) 14:17, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- The primary purpose of this board is to implement the merger. If there are improvements made along the way that's great, but they're not a requirement and (not that this is the case for this merge) shouldn't hold up a merge. Primefac (talk) 15:11, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- That the merge hasn't completed in 4 years surely means that it's reasonable to consider whether or not the original merge is still relevant. If we do continue with a merger, it seems perfectly reasonable to change the target to be called something like Template:Infobox multi-lingual name, using Module:Infobox multi-lingual name, rather than using the name of a language that isn't pertinent to many (most?) transclusions — the first page of Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_name_module shows me some Chinese but also a bunch of Japanese, French, Spanish and Italian films. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 20:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- @OwenBlacker: I tried renaming at Template_talk:Infobox_Chinese#Requested_move_23_September_2019. More likely than not I will get to this during the summer so at least it shouldn't get to five years. I don't really see much that would have changed people opinions on this template. Not much has actually happened on this front. --Trialpears (talk) 21:03, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Trialpears I hope that this gets done soon. ;) Techie3 (talk) 00:06, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Techie3 There's actually been some significant progress since my comment above, most significantly that {{Infobox East Asian name}} actually got done and a lot of the template work needed for a proper merge was done including some upgrades to {{Infobox Chinese}}. It still remains some features that need fixing before a full merge is possible though and I'm not excited about doing that work. I can probably get a list of things that need doing if someone is interested in some annoying module work though and can deal with the template replacements afterwards. --Trialpears (talk) 12:59, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Trialpears I hope that this gets done soon. ;) Techie3 (talk) 00:06, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @OwenBlacker: I tried renaming at Template_talk:Infobox_Chinese#Requested_move_23_September_2019. More likely than not I will get to this during the summer so at least it shouldn't get to five years. I don't really see much that would have changed people opinions on this template. Not much has actually happened on this front. --Trialpears (talk) 21:03, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- That the merge hasn't completed in 4 years surely means that it's reasonable to consider whether or not the original merge is still relevant. If we do continue with a merger, it seems perfectly reasonable to change the target to be called something like Template:Infobox multi-lingual name, using Module:Infobox multi-lingual name, rather than using the name of a language that isn't pertinent to many (most?) transclusions — the first page of Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_name_module shows me some Chinese but also a bunch of Japanese, French, Spanish and Italian films. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 20:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- The primary purpose of this board is to implement the merger. If there are improvements made along the way that's great, but they're not a requirement and (not that this is the case for this merge) shouldn't hold up a merge. Primefac (talk) 15:11, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- 2020 November 28 – Old_move ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2020 November 28 – Old_moves ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- Module version created. More information at Template talk:Old move#Module and merger. --Trialpears (talk) 19:37, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- 2022 October 6 – Over-coverage ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- 2022 October 6 – Globalize ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
To convert
Templates for which the consensus is that they ought to be converted to some other format are put here until the conversion is completed.
- 2020 October 22 – Loc ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- This one has 572 that match
insource:/\{\{loc\}\}/
, with no template parameters. Those seem like a straightforward conversion to {{Country study}}. Then the remaining 110ish templates with parameters could be cleaned up separately. Could probably get AWB in bot mode to do the 572. Does that sound like a good idea? Should I try to get a bot flag to help with that? –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)- I can get it, just never had the time or inclination to pick apart the various uses. I've set up a tracking category to find the non-parameter uses, so once that populates I should be able to knock it out fairly quick. Primefac (talk) 21:49, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- I worked a bit on this a while ago, probably going a bit beyond what is strictly necessary when filling in parameters. It's worth noting that (countarary to the docs) that Kazakhstan and many other countries don't have their own country studies but are combined to something like Kazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan or Indian Ocean : five island countries. Also worth noting that these were made between 1988 and 2015 meaning that you may have weird situations with both the Soviet Union and Russia having country studies and there being plenty of other former countries to consider. I've also seen quite a few already broken links. My point being that care should be taken to make sure the links are correct and point to the intended target. --Trialpears (talk) 22:03, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- I can get it, just never had the time or inclination to pick apart the various uses. I've set up a tracking category to find the non-parameter uses, so once that populates I should be able to knock it out fairly quick. Primefac (talk) 21:49, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- I recommend using standard {{cite encyclopedia}} citations and converting these to footnotes (rather than generic endnotes) as we go. I have pre-made encyclopedia citations for all country studies, plus a page with comparisons using Earwig to the relevant country studies here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Library of Congress Country Studies/Reference fixing. Example edit here. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:37, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- This one's been sitting here for a year and a half at this point. I started today by replacing the blank ones which had no other supplementary information on the page. Several had a supplementary URL, often sitting just outside the template, others being used as references in the rest of the page (example next to, example of elsewhere). --Izno (talk) 06:52, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- This one has 572 that match
- 2022 January 6 – Malaysian_party_colour ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- Both of the above need to have their entries added to the module. Hopefully this can be semi-automated by the same process that was used with the /meta templates. --Gonnym (talk) 10:21, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Probably not, as these uses (see for example 2005_Pengkalan_Pasir_by-election#Election_results) call an acronym which then triggers the colour to be returned. Each acronym will need to be paired up with the related party, added to the module, and then swapped in the related articles to use (hopefully something other than) {{Malaysian election result}} with the newer values. I haven't looked into it enough to know how much can be automated, but "not much" is my initial read of it. Primefac (talk) 18:33, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Template:Malaysian party colour/name/default and Template:Malaysian party colour/colour/default/sandbox updated and ready. The only party names I left as is were the ones I couldn't find an en.wiki article to confirm spelling, etc. But if others feel differently feel free to add them. The party color should be synced when everything is ready for a bot to help as the calling templates have a "#" in them and Module:Political party also sends them with it. Gonnym (talk) 21:09, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Probably not, as these uses (see for example 2005_Pengkalan_Pasir_by-election#Election_results) call an acronym which then triggers the colour to be returned. Each acronym will need to be paired up with the related party, added to the module, and then swapped in the related articles to use (hopefully something other than) {{Malaysian election result}} with the newer values. I haven't looked into it enough to know how much can be automated, but "not much" is my initial read of it. Primefac (talk) 18:33, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Both of the above need to have their entries added to the module. Hopefully this can be semi-automated by the same process that was used with the /meta templates. --Gonnym (talk) 10:21, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
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- 2022 May 10 – WAP_assignment ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
To orphan
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