Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 12: Difference between revisions

September 12

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 12, 2022.

Prakrtic plane

• Prakrtic plane → Plane (esotericism)#Physical plane  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Prakritic plane → Plane (esotericism)#Physical plane  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target, no relevant results in Google Scholar and internet searches for "Prakrtic", results for "Prakritic plane" show some use in esotericism but do not clearly identify it with the physical plane, delete unless a justification can be provided. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:05, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. From what I've been able to make out, in Theosophy and/or Christian theosophy there are seven "Prakritic planes" of which the Physical plane is the lowest. If my understanding is correct we're redirecting a broad topic to a subtopic, which is usually not helpful and certainly when there is no mention at the target. It's entirely possible that one or both of these will be useful titles in the future, but relevant content needs to come first. Thryduulf (talk) 18:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - It is Theosophy but whether it is notable Theosophy is open for debate. If it belonged anywhere it would be in an article about Blavatsky's cosmology. This planes article is problematic because an editor is trying to make it generic in a way that makes it no longer about any one thing, but it clearly has no section on the Prakritic plane so the redirect needs deleting. This redirect is one I missed, but it is related to this one which has attracted few comments [1]. In that case, too, the creator has directed to a sub section that doesn't really talk about the purported subject at all. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:13, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cinescope

• Cinescope → CinemaScope  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned as a synonym of the target; possibly redirecting this to CineScope as per the hatnote might be better. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:58, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• The intention of the redirect was as a possible/probable misspelling/typing of CinemaScope. No real objections to a redirect to CineScope, though not sure about the significance of the current article at that target - I am doubtful of the notability of the small cinema in Narayanganj, which appears to only have local significance, and which doesn't appear on a Google search for "cinescope", whereas several other companies and cinemas do: [2], [3], [4], [5], etc. There may be potential for a disamb page at CineScope because there are other related terms which could be misspelled, such as Kinescope, Kinetoscope, etc. However, redirecting to the existing CineScope is acceptable as there is a hatnote pointing to CinemaScope. SilkTork (talk) 15:09, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: While it seems like all participants to some extent favor retargetting to CineScope it seems to have pretty weak support, so a first relist for further discussion seems appropriate
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TartarTorte 17:10, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Random Monsters (Heroscape)

• Random Monsters (Heroscape) → Heroscape  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is not a faction in Heroscape, and there is no reason that any person would need to search this term to reach the game. TNstingray (talk) 15:51, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as dud redirect per nom. scope_creep^Talk 15:57, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Further, not mentioned at target article. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 16:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bronn-Char (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

• Bronn-Char (Marvel Cinematic Universe) → Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe: A–L#Bron-Char  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The targeted section no longer exists; plus, the characters name is "Bron-Char" with one n. TNstingray (talk) 15:41, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Dead target. scope_creep^Talk 16:01, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Bron-Char#In other media, which is the same target as Bron-Char (Marvel Cinematic Universe). ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 16:32, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Bron-Char#In other media per El cid. The misspelling is extremely plausible. Thryduulf (talk) 17:12, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete not a very common typo, left behind after a page move. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:27, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fietro

• Fietro → Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe: A–L#Ralph Bohner  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Is there really any reason to have a throw-away line as a redirect? This is not the characters name, and was used just one time in passing mention. TNstingray (talk) 15:38, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as relatively harmless. A Google search of 'Fietro' shows that this is apparently a term used to mean 'Fake Pietro'. As someone who has never watched the show, I don't know what that means, but it is used in the titles of at least one media article. See here ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 16:36, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep this one is fine to keep, it's a legitimate alt name for the character in the show. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:28, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tragedy (Steps song)

• Tragedy (Steps song) → Tragedy (Bee Gees song)#Steps version  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Should this redirect to Heartbeat (Steps song) or to Tragedy (Bee Gees song)#Steps version? The redirect's history (with the latest change being made by an IPv6 user) shows that where to redirect to appears to be controversial. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 15:13, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that it goes with WP:SONGCOVER, per below that it stated that the cover versions of the said song should not have an article, and it should be in a section of the article of the original song. Covers are enough to be redirected to the original version. 2600:1700:9BF3:220:9CA5:F403:EF23:F45A (talk) 16:35, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I used this redirect not too long back and Tragedy (Bee Gees song)#Steps version contained exactly what I was looking for. I would have been very surprised to arrive at the article for a different song. Thryduulf (talk) 17:11, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - there is content about this version of the song, and we should provide access to it. It is not clear to everyone what song is a cover and which is an original. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 19:59, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prime Minister of Guatemala

• Prime Minister of Guatemala → President of Guatemala  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Nonexistent title, see also Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 6#Prime Minister of the United States. Privybst (talk) 14:49, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• 'Delete for obvious reasons. scope_creep^Talk 16:02, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: The President of Guatemala is the Head of State which is what people unfamiliar with a certain country's specific system of government are searching for. While there is no office called Prime Minister of Guatemala, the President is the Head of State and Head of Government for Guatemala so for someone searching for the equivalent role to Head of State, it would be more useful to take the to this with a {{R from incorrect title}} than to delete. TartarTorte 17:03, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Politics of Guatemala (where Government of Guatemala redirects). The lead there concisely explains that the President of Guatemala is both head of state, head of government, and of a multi-party system. and goes on to note who exercise executive and judicial power in the country. Whatever they are looking for they will find it either there or one click away. Second choice is to keep per TatarTotte. Thryduulf (talk) 17:09, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

State of Myanmar

• State of Myanmar → State of Burma  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Retarget to Myanmar. The English translation of the country's name from Burma to Myanmar was changed only in 1989. Privybst (talk) 14:07, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget per nom. The target entity ceased to exist in 1945 and, based on a quick skim of the article, was never referred to as "Myanmar" in English. Thryduulf (talk) 14:32, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per nom. No evidence State of Burma was ever known as State of Myanmar. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 16:45, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian Republic

• Canadian Republic → Republic of Canada  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Retarget to Republicanism in Canada, and move hatnote there of course. Privybst (talk) 12:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose - "Canadian Republic" refers to an entity, not an idea. If anything, the query will be searching for Canada, but this is resolved by the headnote. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 16:48, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Orconectes australis

• Orconectes australis → Orconectes  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Orconectes incomptus → Orconectes  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It is generally acepted practice that non-fossil taxa should generally be redlinked to encourage article creation. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:19, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment In this case, we can use the {{ill}} templates to link to matching articles in French and Portuguese, respectively. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

These have a history as articles, but were turned into redirects. They were stubs no inline citations, but the respective French and Portuguese articles are stubs with no inline citations (and no information beyond what was in the English articles). I don't see any point to linking foreign language articles when the English article could just be restored. Plantdrew (talk) 16:57, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:20, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Orconectes hartfieldi

• Orconectes hartfieldi → Orconectes  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Faxonius hartfieldi was moved from genus Orconectes to Faxonius in 2017. Also the redirect page contains Categories which is just weird. As the redirect will take users to the wrong genus, it should be deleted. Then, hopefully the red link will prompt somebody into creating a species page that can contain the required Categories 86.17.100.205 (talk) 14:08, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Either retarget to Faxonius or soft delete until a Faxonius sp. article is made so that we retarget to that article instead.. The genus was only relatively recently changed, so the old binomial name remains a plausible search term. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 14:21, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:20, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Anglican Orthodox Southern Episcopal Church

• Anglican Orthodox Southern Episcopal Church → Southern Episcopal Church  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is no mention of this name being used to designate thos organisation. I could not find a RS saying this organisation uses this name.
Therefore, this redirect should be deleted. Veverve (talk) 12:01, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak delete Non-reliable sources seem to consider this an alternative name. I hesitate to delete it for that reason, but Veverve's case is correct. ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:28, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:18, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Xanthocroi

• Xanthocroi → Nordic race  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. Not-included misspelling of "Xanthochroi" (which has a different target). Hildeoc (talk) 02:47, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and mention Xanthocroi somewhere at the target. Modern coinages from Ancient Greek roots aren't easy to spell in general. Xanthochroi targets Historical race concepts#Thomas Huxley's racial definitions, which states "By the late nineteenth century, Huxley's Xanthochroi group had been redefined as the Nordic race, whereas his Melanochroi became the Mediterranean race." Accordingly, the piped link below the map there leads directly to Nordic race. Huxley's own use of the term sounds a lot like the Nordic race concept too: "They are of tall stature and have the skin almost colourless, and so delicate that the blood really shows through it. The eyes are blue or grey; the hair light, ranging from straw-colour to red or chestnut; the beard and body-hair abundant." Glades12 (talk) 06:15, 5 September 2022 (UTC) Removed some slight redundancy 11:18, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Glades12: I guess, the correct (!) term should ideally be introduced in Nordic race then, as is the case analogously with Melanochroi being elucidated at Mediterranean race. Hildeoc (talk) 06:50, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No mention has been added yet to the current target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:07, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Work management

• Work management → ja:ワークマネジメント  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. Per Wikipedia:Soft redirects, "Soft redirects to non-English language editions of Wikipedia should be avoided because they are generally unhelpful to English-language readers. " Fram (talk) 07:45, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to create a "work management" page in English, but gave up due to the opinion that it was not necessary.

So, for the time being, I thought that a soft redirect to the post-Japan page would be a good solution.

Even Japanese pages can be easily translated into English by Google, etc., so I don't think it's a big problem. Mocha c jp (talk) 08:01, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. The existence of this helps only Japanese speakers and disguises the fact that we don't have any content about the topic - based on google hits this is a notable topic we should have an article about. Thryduulf (talk) 08:48, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Per above and per policy. Work management is not uniquely Japanese, and redirecting to Japanese Wikipedia is only going to confuse most people. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 20:02, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Typhoon Vongfong (old)

• Typhoon Vongfong (old) → List of storms named Vongfong  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No idea what the intention was here, but Typhoon Vongfong (old) should be moved back to Typhoon Vongfong, and what is now at Typhoon Vongfong either deleted or merged if people want to have the history for some reason. Fram (talk) 06:48, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete after merging any histories that need it per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 08:51, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Typhoon Vongfong (old) was an attempt by Compton420 to subvert the decision at Talk:Typhoon Vongfong (2020) and redirect "Typhoon Vongfong" to the 2020 storm. Since the current Typhoon Vongfong redirect was retargeted, the attempt is essentially moot. There's no significant history on either page, so just deleting the (old) one is enough. I don't have a strong attachment as creator of the now (old) redirect, so I'm alright with having that deleted instead of deleting the new redirect by Compton and moving the old redirect back in its place without leaving a redirect (which seems like a hassle). Chlod (say hi!) 10:52, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Cum

• Wikipedia:Cum → Help:Creation and usage of media files  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect has a title that is not, but should be in FULL CAPS as per WP:SCNAMES. It was created from a page move to WP:CUM and has not been edited since then. It should be deleted because WP:CUM serves the purpose. —CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ]  [ CONT ]} 05:53, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - per nom. CUM is not even a proper acronym for the target and it really just seems like someone is having a laugh at this. That being said, the lowercase is especially improper and rarely used. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 16:52, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Todd Phelps

• Todd Phelps → Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe: M–Z  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Todd (Marvel Cinematic Universe) → Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe: M–Z  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at redirect target, and not a notable character (only appeared in a small role in one TV episode, and not expected to appear again). InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:24, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Titania / Mary MacPherran

• Titania / Mary MacPherran → Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe: M–Z  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is a very non-standard format, especially with the slash, which makes it an unlikely search term. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:15, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Aneka (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

• Aneka (Marvel Cinematic Universe) → Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe: A–L  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

not mentioned in target article -MPGuy2824 (talk) 04:19, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete not a notable character, so she won't have an entry on the Characters page. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:45, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete for now. Reports are that this character will appear in Wakanda Forever, but it is WP:TOOSOON to know whether it will be a role sufficient to merit further mention. BD2412 T 04:49, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Even more "upcoming" no longer "upcoming"

• Emily (upcoming film) → Emily (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Dual (upcoming film) → Dual (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Boogie (upcoming film) → Boogie (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Seperation (upcoming film) → Separation (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• In the Shadow of the Moon (upcoming film) → In the Shadow of the Moon (2019 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Nenjam Marappathillai (upcoming film) → Nenjam Marappathillai (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Jail (upcoming movie) → Jail (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Stowaway (upcoming film) → Stowaway (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Girl on the Train (upcoming film) → The Girl on the Train (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• French Exit (upcoming film) → French Exit (2020 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Falling (upcoming film) → Falling (2020 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Vengeance (upcoming film) → Vengeance (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Twin (upcoming film) → The Twin (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Black and Blue (upcoming film) → Black and Blue (2019 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Carmen (upcoming film) → Carmen (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Outfit (upcoming film) → The Outfit (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Forgiven (upcoming film) → The Forgiven (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Dreamland (upcoming film) → Crisis (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Swimmers (upcoming film) → The Swimmers (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Deception (upcoming film) → Deception (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Luca (upcoming film) → Luca (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Valley Girl (upcoming film) → Valley Girl (2020 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Living (upcoming film) → Living (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• O2 (upcoming film) → Oxygen (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Above Suspicion (upcoming film) → Above Suspicion (2019 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Yoshi (upcoming video game) → Yoshi's Crafted World  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Thank You (upcoming film) → Thank You (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Julia (upcoming American film) → Julia (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Senior Year (upcoming film) → Senior Year (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Priest (upcoming film) → The Priest (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Wonder (upcoming film) → The Wonder (film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Aadavaallu Meeku Joharlu (upcoming film) → Aadavallu Meeku Johaarlu (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Nest (upcoming film) → The Nest (2020 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Chakra (upcoming film) → Chakra (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Force of Nature (upcoming film) → Force of Nature (2020 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Lost Illusions (upcoming film) → Lost Illusions (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Survivor (upcoming film) → The Survivor (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Love Story (upcoming film) → Love Story (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Malik (upcoming film) → Malik (film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Rubí (upcoming TV series) → Rubí (2020 TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Run the World (upcoming TV series) → Run the World (TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Craft (upcoming film) → The Craft: Legacy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• American Dreamer (upcoming film) → American Dreamer (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Duke (upcoming film) → The Duke (2020 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Around the World in 80 Days (upcoming TV series) → Around the World in 80 Days (2021 TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Persuasion (upcoming film) → Persuasion (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Wrong Turn (upcoming film) → Wrong Turn (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Café con aroma de mujer (upcoming TV series) → Café con aroma de mujer (2021 TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Shirley (upcoming film) → Shirley (2020 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Reminiscence (upcoming film) → Reminiscence (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Twist (upcoming film) → Twist (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Haathi Mere Saathi (upcoming film) → Kaadan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Let It Snow (upcoming film) → Let It Snow (2019 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Clouds (upcoming film) → Clouds (2020 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• See How They Run (upcoming film) → See How They Run (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Attack (upcoming film) → Attack: Part 1  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Pearl (upcoming film) → Pearl (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Hasta que la plata nos separe (upcoming TV series) → Hasta que la plata nos separe (2022 TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• My Son (upcoming film) → My Son (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Trance (upcoming film) → Trance (2020 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Memory (upcoming film) → Memory (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The King's Daughter (upcoming film) → The King's Daughter (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The King's Daughter (Upcoming film) → The King's Daughter (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Joe Exotic (upcoming TV series) → Joe vs. Carole  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Dig (upcoming film) → The Dig (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Bubble (upcoming film) → The Bubble (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• One (upcoming film) → One (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• James (upcoming film) → James (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Dog (upcoming film) → Dog (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Burrow (upcoming film) → Burrow (film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Shrine (upcoming film) → The Unholy (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Umma (upcoming film) → Umma (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Close (upcoming film) → Close (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Pig (upcoming film) → Pig (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Men (upcoming film) → Men (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Brave New World (upcoming TV series) → Brave New World (2020 TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Saints Row (upcoming video game) → Saints Row (2022 video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Mahaan (upcoming film) → Mahaan (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Guilty (upcoming film) → The Guilty (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Toofan (upcoming film) → Toofaan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Acapulco (upcoming TV series) → Acapulco (2021 TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Marry Me (upcoming film) → Marry Me (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Sister (upcoming film) → Music (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Sister (Upcoming film) → Music (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The 4400 (upcoming TV series) → 4400 (TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Crimes of the Future (upcoming film) → Crimes of the Future (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Memoria (upcoming film) → Memoria (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Texas Chainsaw Massacre (upcoming film) → Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Whale (upcoming film) → The Whale (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Home Alone (upcoming film) → Home Sweet Home Alone  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Tadap (upcoming film) → Tadap (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Julia (upcoming TV series) → Julia (2022 TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Woman in the Window (upcoming film) → The Woman in the Window (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Moonshot (upcoming film) → Moonshot (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Mighty Ducks (upcoming TV series) → The Mighty Ducks: Game Changers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Dracula (upcoming miniseries) → Dracula (2020 TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Bel-Air (upcoming TV series) → Bel-Air (TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Malignant (upcoming film) → Malignant (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Valet (upcoming film) → The Valet (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Fairly OddParents (Upcoming TV series) → The Fairly OddParents: Fairly Odder  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Cash Truck (upcoming film) → Wrath of Man  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Eyes of Tammy Faye (upcoming film) → The Eyes of Tammy Faye (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Father of the Bride (upcoming film) → Father of the Bride (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Tragedy of Macbeth (upcoming film) → The Tragedy of Macbeth (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Pinocchio (upcoming Disney film) → Pinocchio (2022 live-action film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Another 105 of these. Per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 30#More "upcoming" no longer "upcoming", Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 10#Target subjects no longer "upcoming", etc. These redirects have no significant edit history other than redirections, and do/should not have any incoming links from the "article" space. Steel1943 (talk) 03:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You can delete, I don't mind. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This comment is in regards to Sister (upcoming film) unless specified otherwise. Steel1943 (talk) 04:01, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that both Sister (upcoming film) and Sister (Upcoming film) should be deleted. The film eventually came out under the name Music (2021 film), and the name had been changed before production. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:35, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Fine to delete but it was just released so I don't see the harm in keeping it up either. czar 03:37, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Czar: Was this comment actually for Saints Row (upcoming video game)? It was listed as referring to Men (upcoming film), probably due to my posting several nominations and messing up the section header orders. Steel1943 (talk) 04:00, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes it was, thanks czar 04:37, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete all per previous discussions and established consensus. For editors interested, there's a proposal for a new speedy deletion criterion regarding these kind of redirects here. Input is welcome, thanks. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:43, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all – support deleting these as basic housekeeping after the fact. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:47, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all these 125-and-counting redirects per nom and above. It might mislead viewers into thinking that stuff is still upcoming, even when it isn't, and they can always be recreated if there's another movie/TV show/whatever else with that title announced. Regards, SONIC678 06:18, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all, redundent. Thanks, Indagate (talk) 08:45, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep all without prejudice to smaller nominations. These redirects all need to be evaluated individually to see if they still have any use. The first ones I sport checked, Pinocchio (upcoming Disney film) and [[The Tragedy of Macbeth (upcomming film) got over 5000 hits and 74 hits in the last 30 days respectively. These are both extremely clearly still useful redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 09:04, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've just spend over two hours doing what the nomiantor failed to do - a proper WP:BEFORE, and so here is my set of individual recommendations. Please do not collapse this as it would prejudice the discussion towards those who haven't done the research. Thryduulf (talk) 14:27, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep
    • Emily (upcoming film) - 2300 views in the last 30 days. Views are tailing off so it's not likely to be useful for too much longer, but deletion now is still too soon.
    • Dual (upcoming film) - 1900 views in the last 30 days, no evidence things are slowing down either.
    • Carmen (upcoming film) - 4250 views in the last 30 days, unquestionably still needed.
    • Boogie (upcoming film) - 774 views in the last 30 days, no evidence of slowing down
    • The Swimmers (upcoming film) - 939 views in the last 30 days, with between 19 and 79 hits every day in the period and the larger figures all this month.
    • Living (upcoming film) - 905 hits in the past 30 days with over 550 of them since 28 August.
    • The Wonder (upcoming film) - 701 hits in the last 30 days and the trend is increasing.
    • See How They Run (upcoming film) - 7500 hits in the last 30 days.
    • The Whale (upcoming film) - 7643 hits in the last 30 days, including over 1,600 on 5 September and 88 yesterday. There is no possible good faith argument for deleting this.
    • Pinocchio (upcoming Disney film) - 5454 hits inthe last 30 days. Only one day in that period has this redirect been viewed by fewer than 50 people, and even then 44 people used it. Deletion would be very harmful here. Thryduulf (talk) 14:27, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep
    • Nenjam Marappathillai (upcoming film)- 325 views in the last 30 days, the trend is actually slightly increasing.
    • Stowaway (upcoming film) - 41 views in the last 30 days, utility is clearly waning but it hasn't finished yet.
    • Vengeance (upcoming film) - 288 views in the last 30 days, still very much useful.
    • The Outfit (upcoming film) - 33 views in the last 30 days, not huge but the pattern is a constant with hits on about 3 days out of four.
    • The Forgiven (upcoming film) - 265 views in the last 30 days, only two days in this period has this redirect not helped 5 or more people.
    • Dreamland (upcoming film) - 53 views in the last 30 days with no evidence that things are slowing down.
    • Valley Girl (upcoming film) - 33 hits since 1 June, but the rate has been constant all year so utility isn't over yet.
    • Above Suspicion (upcoming film) - Hits started slowing down in April, but it still gets views on about half of days right up to now and its been that way since about June.
    • Thank You (upcoming film) - 61 hits in the last 30 days, things are slowing down but this is evidently still useful.
    • Senior Year (upcoming film) - things are definitely slowing down but with 268 hits in the last 30 days and only 4 days in that time with fewer than 4 hits (and every day with at least one) this one is still needed for now.
    • The Priest (upcoming film) - 178 hits this year, but the pattern of views has been constant since July 2021 so this is almost certainly still linked from somewhere (probably external).
    • Aadavaallu Meeku Joharlu (upcoming film) - 209 hits in the last 30 days with no change in the pattern since June this is clearly still needed.
    • Lost Illusions (upcoming film) - 109 hits in the last 30 days, and no change to the pattern since early April.
    • The Survivor (upcoming film) - 121 hits since 1 August, the long term trend here is one of a very gradual slowing down but this still gets multiple views nearly every day.
    • Love Story (upcoming film) - 271 hits in the last 30 days with a similar long term trend to the previous one and no blank days this year.
    • Around the World in 80 Days (upcoming TV series) - 22 hits in the last 30 days, but the pattern is one that inidicates a continued use that's been ongoing several months.
    • Persuasion (upcoming film) - 407 hits in the last 30 days indicates this is still very much in use.
    • Shirley (upcoming film) - 90 views in the last 30 days, almost all of them wirt in a big spike around the end of July-start of August, suggesting some relevant news or event happened then. I don't think this one will need to be around that much longer but it's too soon to say so needs to be kept for now.
    • Pearl (upcoming film) - 2028 hits in the last 30 days. 616 were on 13 August and only the following day since then has topped 75 but equally no day has had fewer than 17 views and the last 28 days have still accumulated 1287.
    • Trance (upcoming film) - 216 hits in the last 30 days. It's possible that this one's utilty ended last week but it is far, far too early to be sure about that. Reevaluate in a few months.
    • Memory (upcoming film) - 70 hits in the last 30 days with 10 of them yesterday and only 4 blank days. Clearly still needed.
    • The King's Daughter (upcoming film) - 103 hits in the last 30 days this one is still going strong.
    • The Dig (upcoming film) - 67 hits in the last 30 days, roughly half of days get multiple views so this one is still needed.
    • The Bubble (upcoming film) - 666 hits in the last 30 days, with the lowest day still halping 12 people find what they are looking for.
    • James (upcoming film) - 1336 hits in the last 30 days. The views rapidly delcined from 31 August but every day bar one since thne has seen at least one hit so its still too soon to delete this.
    • Pig (upcoming film) - 73 hits in the last 30 days, no case for deletion yet.
    • Men (upcoming film) - 12 hits in the last 30 days. It's probable that this wont be needed much longer, but its still needed now and that is what matters.
    • Brave New World (upcoming TV series) - 29 hits in the last 30 days and no evidence of a slowdown.
    • Mahaan (upcoming film) - a steady stream of singular views streching back to April. This looks like a very long tail, but it's still proving useful to some do deletion would harm without bringing benefit.
    • The Guilty (upcoming film) - 776 hits in the last 30 days. Views fell off a cliff after 7 September, which is far, far to recent for utility to have ended as there have been 2-3 hits every day since. Look again towards the end of the year.
    • Acapulco (upcoming TV series) - 28 views in the last 30 days, this is still clearly being used
    • Marry Me (upcoming film) - 37 views in the last 30 days, the majority of them in September means zero case for deletion.
    • Sister (upcoming film) - 71 views this year with a very flat trend. This is still useful.
    • The 4400 (upcoming TV series) - 26 views this year, all in the last 30 days. Clearly too soon to think of deletion.
    • Crimes of the Future (upcoming film) - 29 hits in the last 30 days. We're in the tail here, but we aren't at the end of it.
    • Memoria (upcoming film) - only 16 views in the last 30 days but the recent trend is slightly upwards so clearly people still find it useful.
    • Home Alone (upcoming film) - 19 hits in the last 30 days, which is slightly above the average that has been basically flat since early February.
    • Julia (upcoming TV series) - 16 hits in the last 30 days. This tail is coming to end but it hasn't ended yet.
    • The Woman in the Window (upcoming film) - 22 hits in the last 30 days, the trend is an increasing number of views. Keep for now and see what happens over the next three or so months
    • Malignant (upcoming film) - 19 views in the last 30 days with no obvious trend.
    • The Valet (upcoming film) - as above but 30 views in the last 30 days.
    • Cash Truck (upcoming film) - 84 hits this year, and the trend is only very slowly decreasing. This tail is long but it needs to finish before deletion is justifiable.
    • The Eyes of Tammy Faye (upcoming film) - 184 hits in the last 30 days. It looks like the tail started last week, which means its much too soon to consider deletion.
    • The Father of the Bride (upcoming film) - 260 hits since 1 July, this is tailing off for the second time but its very much in use at this point.
    • The Tragedy of Macbeth (upcoming film) - 74 hits in the last 30 days with a very organic looking pattern of views. Thryduulf (talk) 14:27, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep
    • Seperation (upcoming film) - views have seriously declined but we're still helping multiple people every month.
    • Falling (upcoming film) - Another one that is very nearly but not quite at the end of its utility. Page views are few but steady.
    • The Craft (upcoming film) - views have significantly tailed off, but with 10 hits in the last 30 days and occasional spikes since March it's too soon to be certain people aren't still using this to find the target.
    • Attack (upcoming film) - only 35 hits since 1 April, this is clearly very near the end of its utility but isn't there yet.
    • Joe Exotic (upcoming TV series) - 8 hits in the last 25 days, but those are the only ones for months. Need to wait a bit longer to see what's happening here.
    • Dog (upcoming film) - this is still getting a smattering of hits. It wouldn't suprise me if some of these are people seeing the link in suggestions and getting curious, but there is no way to prove that and even if it is I can't think of why it would be a bad thing as they're learning something they didn't know when the follow the link.
    • Umma (upcoming film) - 112 hits in the last 30 days. Daily viewing ended on 1 September, with only 5 views since but it's far to soon to know if that is a blip or the beginning of the end. Either way it's not the end of the end and that's the only appropirate time to delete.
    • Bel-Air (upcoming TV series) - 22 views since March, but most of them in September and yesterday wasn't the peak. Probably a blip but better keep for now to make sure.
  • Delete
    • In the Shadow of the Moon (upcoming film) - only 2 views since May.
    • Jail (upcoming movie) - 8 views this year does not demonstrate continued utility.
    • The Girl on the Train (upcoming film) - another one with exactly 8 views this year.
    • French Exit (upcoming film) - just six views since April.
    • Black and Blue (upcoming film) - only 5 views this year, the last in June.
    • Deception (upcoming film) - only 2 views this year, both in April.
    • Luca (upcoming film) - just a single hit this year in early Februrary.
    • O2 (upcoming film) - 28 hits this year, but all of them between April and June.
    • Yoshi (upcoming video game) - 9 hits this year, most recently in March.
    • The Nest (upcoming film) - 6 views this year, none since early May.
    • Chakra (upcoming film) - 4 views this year, 3 on 25 March and none since.
    • Force of Nature (upcoming film) - 46 views this year but none since late July, with the exption of a couple of busy days in May and June the trend has been one of only occasional views all year.
    • Malik (upcoming film) - 4 hits in the last 30 days, but that equals the yearly figure and those hits occurred on two separate days so are not evidence of continued utility.
    • Rubí (upcoming TV series) - 4 hits this year but all of them yesterday, which is not evidence of use to find the target.
    • Run the World (upcoming TV series) - ditto
    • The Duke (upcoming film) - 7 hits this year, the 2 yesterday being the only ones since May and the ones before that being in early March.
    • Wrong Turn (upcoming film) 13 hits this year, 2 yesterday but none before that since one in June.
    • Twist (upcoming film) - the two hits yesterday were double the prevous total for the year and that singular visit was in Februrary. **Let It Snow (upcoming film) - 15 hits this year, 2 of them yesterday.
    • Clouds (upcoming film) - as above but the yearly totla is only 11.
    • Hasta que la plata nos separe (upcoming TV series) - only 4 hits since June and two of them were yesterday.
    • The King's Daughter (Upcoming film) - just 10 hits this year, unsurprising as the article was only at this title for less than a week in 2016.
    • One (upcoming film) - 8 hits this year, only 2 since July.
    • Burrow (upcoming film) - 8 hits this year, all in the past week. Before that there had been no hits since November 2021.
    • Shrine (upcoming film) - 9 hits since July, 11 since June.
    • Close (upcoming film) - 6 views since June. This one's tail was a lot shorter than most.
    • Saints Row (upcoming video game) - 6 views this year, spread over thee days this month. That's not evidence of continued use, especially as there are only 14 other views in the last 365 days.
    • Toofan (upcoming film) - 9 views in the last 30 days, but relatively consistent. Look again a month or so after this RfD concludes (RfD reliably generates views of nominated redirects) and asses again
    • Sister (Upcoming film) 3 views this year, 2 of them yesterday
    • Tadap (upcoming film) 6 views in September but before then nothing since July.
    • The Fairly OddParents (Upcoming TV series) - 4 views since early July, 3 of them this week. Thryduulf (talk) 14:27, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete
    • The Twin (upcoming film) - It looks like the utility of this one probably ended in early August, bar a couple of recent views. Weak because it's just a little bit too soon to be completely certain.
    • Julia (upcoming American film) - this was getting regular hits until 10 August but only 1 since. Ideally this wouldn't have been nominated until that end of utility was clearer but that's a much harder edge than typical so on balance I'm here.
    • American Dreamer (upcoming film) - 25 hits since May, 2 of them yesterday and 2 in August. Almost certainly this has ended its period of usefulness but I'm not ready to be firm.
    • Café con aroma de mujer (upcoming TV series) - this is another one that is at the very tail end of its utility but really shouldn't have been nominated for another month or so to be sure.
    • Reminiscence (upcoming film) - very near the end of its utility with 15 views in the last 30 days, probably at it, but not quite after it.
    • Haathi Mere Saathi (upcoming film) - 7 views this year, 3 of them yesterday but the ones before that were in March.
    • My Son (upcoming film) - it's almost but not quite certain this redirect's utility ended in late July-early August. Another one where the nomination came 1-2 months too early for ideal but as we're here I can't argue deletion now is unquestionably wrong.
    • Texas Chainsaw Massacre (upcoming film) - 6 hits hits in September, but they're the only ones since April. Something could be happening but its unlikely given they are three pairs of days with hits.
    • Moonshot (upcoming film) - 7 hits in the last 30 days. The longer term trend suggests that this has been nomianted about a month too early, but this is in the same basked as My Son.
    • The Mighty Ducks (upcoming TV series) - almost exactly per Texas Chainsaw Massacre but with 8 recent hits and none before that since May. Thryduulf (talk) 14:27, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reassess next week.
    • Dracula (upcoming miniseries). 13 views yesterday, but that's the only day since at least 1 January 2020 with more than 2 hits. It could be related to preparation for this RfD or similar RfDs but it could also be independent. Compare its views over the course of this RfD to other redirects nominated in this bunch, delete if the pattern of views is roughly similar but keep if there are noticeably more. Thryduulf (talk) 14:27, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Page views alone should not be the deciding factor in deletion discussions. These redirects are inherently inaccurate and misleading to readers, and it has been the long-standing consensus to delete these redirects regardless of page views and closeness to release date. FYI, Pinocchio came out four days ago, so of course you're going to see views in the past 30 days. InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:18, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

These redirects are not inherently misleading - indeed they are the exact opposite in many cases and being incorrect is not a justification to delete a redirect - we even have {{R from incorrect name}} that explains their utility. The purpose of redirects is to help people find the content they are looking for, and large numbers of page views are the most objective evidence that they are doing that it is possible. We routinely keep {{R from move}} redirects and being moved only four days ago is an extremely strong reason to keep. Consensus can, and evidently should change if it is has previously been used to justify actively harming the encyclopaedia. Thryduulf (talk) 15:29, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep all: per Thrydullf, without prejudice to smaller renoms. I think that there is probably a difference between something like Black and Blue (upcoming film) which hasn't been upcoming for about 3 years, whereas Pinocchio (upcoming film) is no longer upcoming as of a few days ago. TartarTorte 13:17, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support assessment by Thryduulf for the keeps and deletes and reassess. I'd probably go one step further and wonder if the nominator be restricted from making these bulk nominations — DaxServer (t · m · c) 14:38, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Hilarious! Hasn't been a problem until the above WP:TRAINWRECK-causing comment. Plus I whole heartedly disagree about keeping these due to page views: no incoming links = me more page views, and consensus has agreed time and time again that once these are no longer "upcoming", the "upcoming" redirects get deleted. If anything, the fact that I have to do so many bulk nominations proves the fact that there's several problematic redirects with this issue that need to get removed. Steel1943 (talk) 17:04, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  no incoming links = [no] more page views is a nice theory but it completely ignores how the world actually works. We can control incoming links from current revisions of pages on the English Wikipedia, we have no control over links elsewhere and incoming links from external sites are almost certainly driving the long-tail of views on many of these redirects which almost certainly haven't had internal links other than these redirects pointing to them for months (and the redirects with essential zero views demonstrate that the redirects themselves don't cause the views). We also have no control over things like people's memories and bookmarks. If you don't want a bulk nomination to end as a trainwreck then do a proper WP:BEFORE and verify that there are no factors, such as wildly differing page views, that mean someone would plausibly have different opinions about different redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 18:33, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  My responses: Links to old revisions on third party sites are not our problem, people bookmarking old revisions should know better, etc. and a bunch of stuff that has already been said before to a point where everyone is beating a dead horse. All of these claims about users and computers are a bunch of theoretical red herrings that result from lack of users maintaining their own computer's settings whereas this nomination is to fix Wikipedia at the source. But, no matter, I'm going to take a nice, long break, and let you all sort this out and try your best to dispute previous consensuses and precedence until your fingers get numb from typing to prove finding that golden WP:CCC in a haystack can be accomplished. I'm done. Steel1943 (talk) 20:05, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete We need to establish some speedy deletion standard for stuff like this already, many if not all of these spaces might be needed again eventually.★Trekker (talk) 14:50, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• There's a proposal at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Formerly untitled/upcoming media, but Thryduulf above is one of its strongest opponents. InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:18, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you think that, then read the WP:NEWCSD requirements and craft a proposal at WT:CSD that meets all four of them. Nothing anybody has suggested so far has done anything other than clearly failed objective and/or uncontestable and commenters are strongly divided about whether it is frequent enough. Thryduulf (talk) 15:23, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete all – Highly unlikely that these will be needed or used. If found that some are needed, creating one on a need basis is easy. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:48, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I've shown above that many of these are both used and needed. Thryduulf (talk) 17:05, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete all except the ones that have been shown to have a significant amount of views. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 18:32, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all: They all are general housekeeping as they are no longer "upcoming". The "upcoming" is misleading now. — YoungForever^(talk) 18:36, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Except, for reasons repeatedly explained, they aren't actually misleading and inconveniencing literally thousands of readers is not "housekeeping". Thryduulf (talk) 18:44, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Agree to disagree, if they have premiered/released, they are not "upcoming" anymore. — YoungForever^(talk) 19:01, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Indeed they aren't upcoming anymore, but that only explains why they will at some point cease to be useful redirects (hence why many of these can be safely deleted) but that point doesn't arrive the moment the page is moved. In most cases they remain good and necessary redirects for somewhere between a couple of weeks and a few months, but the above list shows that the whole range is between about a week and a couple of years. Thryduulf (talk) 19:44, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Swan Song (upcoming film)

• Swan Song (upcoming film) → Swan song (disambiguation)#Films  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There are no "upcoming films" subjects at the target. Most likely, this redirect formerly referred to Swan Song (2021 Benjamin Cleary film) and Swan Song (2021 Todd Stephens film). Steel1943 (talk) 02:06, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, redundent. Thanks, Indagate (talk) 08:44, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. While this is still getting some views (12 in the last 30 days) this is very significantly fewer than at the start of the year and with no clear single target it's not clear that those using it will find what they were looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 09:08, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment There's a proposal for a new speedy deletion criterion at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Formerly untitled/upcoming media which apply to these kinds of redirects. Input is welcome, thanks. InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:26, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ouzbékistan

• Ouzbékistan → Uzbekistan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No affinity for the French language. FAdesdae378 (talk · contribs) 00:41, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Pretty sure the other countries don't have a French spelling redirect. Liliana ^{(UwU / nya)} 00:43, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Countries with strong ties to the French language should have such redirects, e.g. République centrafricaine, but not those which don't. I can find no evidence of any affinity between Uzbekistan and French. Thryduulf (talk) 09:13, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dreamland (upcoming thriller film)

• Dreamland (upcoming thriller film) → Dreamland#Films  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm not sure which films at the target page this redirect refers to, but either way, it does not seem as though there are any "upcoming film" subjects listed on the target page at the present time. Steel1943 (talk) 00:30, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I have no recollection of creating this link, and am fine with deleting it. BD2412 T 00:34, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @BD2412: Guess that makes two of us. I forgot all about this discussion: Talk:Dreamland (2019 American film)#Requested move 15 February 2019. I used to vaguely remember everything I do on Wikipedia, but I don't remember this at all! Steel1943 (talk) 01:53, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well there you go. Perhaps we should have some category of redirects that automatically expire and disappear after some set period of time. BD2412 T 03:10, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    • There's a proposal at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Formerly untitled/upcoming media, but Thryduulf below is one of its strongest opponents. InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:20, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as no longer getting any page views. I would oppose redirects automatically expiring as the length of time they are useful for is not possible to predict. Thryduulf (talk) 09:14, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mimi (upcoming film)

• Mimi (upcoming film) → Mimi#Arts and entertainment  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There seem to no longer be any "upcoming film" subjects at the target, leaving this redirect's disambiguator erroneous and unhelpful. Most likely, in the past, this redirect referred to Mimi (2021 Hindi film) or Mimi (2021 Nigerian film). Steel1943 (talk) 00:25, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete because it is no longer getting any page views, only 8 this year and none since May, so its utility has evidently passed. Thryduulf (talk) 09:15, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment There's a proposal for a new speedy deletion criterion at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Formerly untitled/upcoming media which apply to these kinds of redirects. Input is welcome, thanks. InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:25, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Home (upcoming TV series)

• Home (upcoming TV series) → Home (disambiguation)#Series  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The target disambiguation page does not list any "upcoming TV series" subjects; all listed have already been released and/or started. Steel1943 (talk) 00:02, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. No hits at all since November last year, unambiguously no longer needed. Thryduulf (talk) 09:16, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment There's a proposal for a new speedy deletion criterion at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Formerly untitled/upcoming media which apply to these kinds of redirects. Input is welcome, thanks. InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:25, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]