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A fact from Fatinitza appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 July 2013 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that Franz von Suppé's operetta Fatinitza stars a Russian army lieutenant who, while dressed as a woman, wins the love of a hot-tempered elderly general? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2013/July. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Fatinitza.

One Opera project thing is infoboxes with pictures of the composer. Is it alright to switch out the image to one a bit more related to the opera? Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 19:10, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fatinitza
operetta by Franz von Suppé
Poster, c. 1879
Librettist	Camillo Walzel Richard Genée
Language	German
Based on	Eugène Scribe's libretto to the 1861 opéra comique La circassienne
Premiere	January 5, 1876 (1876-01-05) Carltheater, Vienna

This "infobox" isn't an infobox ;)

An infobox for this work might look like this. I suggest to include the links to other operas to a navbox. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here you go: {{Franz von Suppé}}. You may want to have an image of the composer elsewhere in the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The navigation box currently in the article, {{Suppé operas}}, can easily be modified to accommodate other images. Following the work by User:Robert.Allen at Template:Verdi operas/sandbox, it boils down to inserting

|image={{#if:{{{altimage|}}} | {{{altimage}}} |Franz von Suppé.jpg}}

and then invoking {{Suppé operas}} here with the parameter |altimage=your preferred.jpg. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:27, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's far easier than that.

|image={{altimage|Franz von Suppé.jpg}}

...works just as well. But I wasn't sure the Wikiproject permitted that. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 09:39, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You could also be bold and go for an infobox right away. On project opera, there a few reasons for it, and so far not one for the side navbox other than "I like it" and "We always did it that way" (all by me, please add). An interesting discussion started yesterday on Talk:Mont Juic (suite), - aspects I didn't fully understand. Learning, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:11, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're right. What I think I'll do is first, add a background section about Franz von Suppé, as I do want to include a picture of him, and then switch to the Infobox. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 15:36, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Adam, just to be perfectly clear - Gerda's chartacterisation of infobox discussion is not accurate. Very many editors of opera articles dislike infoboxes for a number of reasons that go far beyond Gerda's trivial, partisan and unhelpful summary of the Wikiproject discussion. They (like me) scarcely bothered to contribute to the discussion on Wikiproject Opera because they are fed up with Gerda rabitting on about it. You may be unaware that there is a major row going on about the activties of Gerda and others with relation to infoboxes here. In fact, it was well under way at the time when Gerda made her modest proposal for your article. My view for what it is worth - as Gerda has been keen to advance her own opinion - is that editors' energies are better spent creating and improving articles than tinkering about with useless items of decor. I believe that a number of others also share my view. Best,--Smerus (talk) 16:18, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This edit asserts that Fatinitza was premiered in Paris on 15 March 1875; that's about nine months before the premiere in Vienna, or a typo. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:02, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

IMSLP has the French vocal score version used for the Brussels premiére. [1] It gives the date as 28 Decembre 1878 (and also has the full cast: is that useful?). As such, I can't see how the Paris version could predate 1879. Conveniently, the source for that edit comes from 1879, so I think it's a typo (or possibly misreading: the numbers are somewhat similar in some fonts) for 1879 Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 07:56, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I found a source that shows I'm right, and added some information from it. I would link, but checking the dates, I'm pretty sure the Internet Archive shouldn't really be hosting it. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)

Yes – 1879 – apologies, a typo.Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 17:46, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It happens to all of us. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 18:49, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]