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The mention of the body does not say that she is dead. But it does connect to her late father’s wish to give her a proper Christian burial. If you are willing to accept that, pls undo previous edit. If not, pls mention in the Talk.
The mention of the body does not say that she is dead. But it does connect to her late father’s wish to give her a proper Christian burial. If you are willing to accept that, pls undo previous edit. If not, pls mention in the Talk.


== Thank you dear for updating Awami league page back to original ==
== UFP/PPP - South Korea ==
Dear,
I have noticed that you edited Awami League page back to original one and I'm delighted that you have done that. Unfortunately, users like [[User:Vif12vf|Vif12vf|]],[[User:Nzs9|Nzs9|]], and [[User:ShrewMoon|ShrewMoon|]] take down good edits. I strongly advice you to monitor, [[Awami League page]]. It is being vandalized by users that are putting on false information and arguing about topics that they do not understand.[[Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:A75B:7100:5A4:16B3:2839:64DB|2607:FEA8:A75B:7100:5A4:16B3:2839:64DB]] ([[User talk:2607:FEA8:A75B:7100:5A4:16B3:2839:64DB|talk]]) 18:47 17 March 2024 (UTC)
== Please stop Nzs9 from editing==
[[User:Nzs9|Nzs9|]], is keeping on editing on Awami league page. He does it and then even has it undone. I would advice to monitor him and report him so he gets a ban from editing on Awami league page.[[Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:A75B:7100:5A4:16B3:2839:64DB|2607:FEA8:A75B:7100:5A4:16B3:2839:64DB]] ([[User talk:2607:FEA8:A75B:7100:5A4:16B3:2839:64DB|talk]]) 14:27 20 March 2024 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:A75B:7100:D4B6:874C:1C1F:7A6|2607:FEA8:A75B:7100:D4B6:874C:1C1F:7A6]] ([[User talk:2607:FEA8:A75B:7100:D4B6:874C:1C1F:7A6#top|talk]]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Edit war? ==
I know the party merged with minor parties, but did it *merge* (i.e. all parties disbanded, with a new party founded) or was it simply a rename of the predecessor party? If it were the latter, then shouldn't the current party be merged with the predecessor party? [[User:ValenciaThunderbolt|ValenciaThunderbolt]] ([[User talk:ValenciaThunderbolt|talk]]) 17:22, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


@[[User:Helper201|Helper201]], do you want to go to an [[WP:WAR|edit war]] in the article [[Awami League]]? In my last edit I added 4-5 new references about secularism. Yes, you had told me that secularism isn't perfect for AL and I also checked the references given by you. But is AL an ideologyless party? How long we hide the ideology? If you really have any problem with secularism then open a discussion please. Or I am about to restore my previous edits. Because your behaviour seems to be an edit war to me.
:{{U|ValenciaThunderbolt}}, I'm not sure. Unfortunately, I can't read Korean so I have to go off of Korean news sources in English or use translation tools. The coverage of minor Korean parties in English sources is, from what I can see, quite limited, and it’s difficult to distinguish the reliability of sources that cover Korean politics in depth. [[User:Helper201|Helper201]] ([[User talk:Helper201#top|talk]]) 10:14, 15 February 2024 (UTC)


In South Asian politics, it's not new to take pragmatic positions by the centrist & centre-left parties. [[Indian National Congress|INC]] in [[India]], [[Pakistan People's Party|PPP]] in [[Pakistan]] & [[Maldivian Democratic Party|MDP]] in [[Maldives]] were also accused for shifting their position during the power. I have also reference whrere Sheikh Hasina claimed her party to be pragmatist, that's why they have abondend Nationalism, Democracy & Socialism. In the secularism section, I have explained the party's position on secularism and in that section & social position section I have also explained AL's conservative & pro-Islamic behaviour. Remember Congress Party also bowed to Hindu politics during it's tenure.
::{{U|ValenciaThunderbolt}}, this source - [https://world.kbs.co.kr/service/news_view.htm?Seq_Code=183677] - seems to maybe indicate the former. [[User:Helper201|Helper201]] ([[User talk:Helper201#top|talk]]) 10:41, 15 February 2024 (UTC)


So, if you are still trying to
:::{{U|ValenciaThunderbolt}}, here is another - [https://world.kbs.co.kr/service/news_view.htm?Seq_Code=183630]. [[User:Helper201|Helper201]] ([[User talk:Helper201#top|talk]]) 10:42, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
force your own opinion in the article, it may be appear to me as an edit war. [[User:Wiki N Islam|Wiki N Islam]] ([[User talk:Wiki N Islam|talk]]) 08:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


:{{U|Wiki N Islam}} I've provided counter-evidence with multiple reliable sources on the article's talk page. Until there's a consensus it should be left out. I don't think just you and I are going to come to an agreement about that. I also don't see the problem with not having any ideologies in the infobox. It’s better to leave the ideologies out that have ones in the infobox that aren’t accurate or are contested with evidence against them. [[User:Helper201|Helper201]] ([[User talk:Helper201#top|talk]]) 10:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
::::{{U|Helper201}}, I was actually talking about the merger of the minor parties that merged with LKP/Saenuri to create UFP/PPP. [[User:ValenciaThunderbolt|ValenciaThunderbolt]] ([[User talk:ValenciaThunderbolt|talk]]) 13:37, 15 February 2024 (UTC)


== Nomination of [[:National Popular Consciousness]] for deletion ==
:::::{{U|ValenciaThunderbolt}}, oh yeah, sorry, my mistake. I'm not sure in regards to that. I'll let you know if I find anything worthwhile out about it. [[User:Helper201|Helper201]] ([[User talk:Helper201#top|talk]]) 14:09, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
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The article will be discussed at '''[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Popular Consciousness]]''' until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
::::::{{U|Helper201}}, thanks :) [[User:ValenciaThunderbolt|ValenciaThunderbolt]] ([[User talk:ValenciaThunderbolt|talk]]) 14:18, 15 February 2024 (UTC)


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== My edits, Can we have a talk? Ok? ==


== Removal of academic sources ==
I am not angry, just a bit disappointed. There is some hypocricsy on the edit on some social democratic party like French Socialist Party, and Spanish Socialist Workers' Party. Yes, we need to have some cites to show where we got it from, but there is none on French Socialist Party on ideology of social democracy. Socialist Party of Portugal doesn't have sources on social democracy on ideology in template, along with New Left on Poland template and Social Democratic Party of Lithuania. I have been using from factions of French Socialist Party like democratic socialism and progressivism.


I don't understand why you decided to remove my addition to the introduction based on academic sources. At the very least you could have merged it with the previous text - albeit clearly inferior in terms of documentation. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Niki_(Greek_political_party)&diff=prev&oldid=1232540649
Can you at least put back my edits? Again, I am not mad, just a bit upset and disappointed. I am not one of those who raged over their edits being undone. I am not good at citing when it come to source, but template use that and I only uses visually. So, can you changes it back to my edits, but with cites. That would be nice. Thank you. :) [[Special:Contributions/75.113.159.27|75.113.159.27]] ([[User talk:75.113.159.27|talk]]) 22:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
[[User:D.S. Lioness|D.S. Lioness]] ([[User talk:D.S. Lioness|talk]]) 17:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


:{{U|75.113.159.27}} social democracy is cited for these parties in the lead/opening of their respective pages. If you want to add claims, please cite them when you add the respective claim. I won't restore edits without citations. I may look for sources for your claims but I'm busy with other stuff so you're probably better looking for sources for your claims yourself. [[User:Helper201|Helper201]] ([[User talk:Helper201#top|talk]]) 18:37, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
:{{U|..}} , . [[User:Helper201|Helper201]] ([[User talk:Helper201#top|talk]]) :, 2024 (UTC)
::Ok, I will found sources. It is that the template is NOT a visual source. I am not good at citing in source editing instead of Visual. Again, I am not going to be like "WHY DID YOU UNEDIT MINE?! YOU ARE GOING TO PAY!!!!", I am just a bit disappointed and confused. I now understand, my apologies if m accusation of hypocrisy is out of nowhere. You are right, it is cited in the beginning. I was using democratic socialism and progressivism from faction of French Socialist Party.
::Socialist Party (France) - Wikipedia in the factions.
::Lydia Edwards who is Massachusetts State Senate, I found her source of her birthday. Now I understand, :) [[Special:Contributions/75.113.159.27|75.113.159.27]] ([[User talk:75.113.159.27|talk]]) 22:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


== Marxism can be a political ideology ==
== Just a few questions for you, if you don't mind. ==


Sources: [https://www.britannica.com/summary/Marxism], [https://www.liberationschool.org/what-is-ideology/] & the Oxford Handbook of Political Ideology (pg. 62)
Hey, I wanted to first thank you for helping me out with the Israel articles, but I had a couple questions for you.


Citing the fact that Wikipedia's article on [[Marxism]] does not give Marxism as a political ideology is not reason to reject Marxism as a political ideology. After all, [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source|Wikipedia is not a reliable source]].
First and foremost, do you know Hebrew? Thanks. [[User:Mr manor11|Mr manor11]] ([[User talk:Mr manor11|talk]]) 20:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


If you disagree with the above, then I'd cite the fact that [[Marxism]] is included under [[List of political ideologies]].
:No problem. No, I don't know Hebrew. [[User:Helper201|Helper201]] ([[User talk:Helper201#top|talk]]) 20:02, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
::Ah I see.
::I'm happy to know people still act in good faith these days, so thank you.
::I was born knowing Engish, and learned Hebrew later on, so if you need any translation help, which will give you the nuanced and minor details, I'd be happy to help.
::And on a seperate note, does it make sense to list the National Unity ideology as anything seperate from B&W, given it has been reduced to B&W + 2 independents.
::It's quite literally a coalition with only one partner now. [[User:Mr manor11|Mr manor11]] ([[User talk:Mr manor11|talk]]) 20:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


:::Okay, thanks. In regards to National Unity I'm not sure. Maybe it would be worth considering [[Wikipedia:Merging|merging]] or partial removal, although I'm personally unsure at the moment. Its a recent development so it may take time for things to develop further and just be best waiting. Again, I'm personally not sure. [[User:Helper201|Helper201]] ([[User talk:Helper201#top|talk]]) 20:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
not would be ' to . [[User:|]] ([[User talk:|talk]]) :, 2024 (UTC)

::::II understand, and it seems we don't quite see eye-to-eye on their alignment, so I suggest we can work it out here, instead of edit wars, if that's OK with you.
:Then please try and get this cited on the [[Marxism]] page if you think it’s an ideology. Then if you are not reverted, I see no problem with then adding it to the infobox of a political party. [[User:Helper201|Helper201]] ([[User talk:Helper201#top|talk]]) 06:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
::::In Short, Mountain news is referring to the center-right nature of the security policy (As Gantz is a self-described leftist on Social issues, and centrist on economics, while rightist on secuity, by his own description.)
::It's obviously a contentious issue going off of their talk page archives, so I'd rather that you provide evidence that it cannot be an ideology. After all, just because a Wikipedia article doesn't say it is true, doesn't mean it's not true, per [[Wikipedia: Wikipedia is not a reliable source|Wikipedia is not a reliable source]]. I have provided sources that Marxism can be an ideology so I think it fair to include that in the banner. [[User:FropFrop|FropFrop]] ([[User talk:FropFrop|talk]]) 03:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Center-right, while somewhat accurate, feels misleading, as it only refers to one aspect of his policy, which is why I'd suggest "Center-left to Center right" to cover everything. [[User:Mr manor11|Mr manor11]] ([[User talk:Mr manor11|talk]]) 21:35, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::Discussions should take place on the relevant talk pages so others can place their input if they so wish. Also, consensus should be reached before disputed changes are made, not just implemented or readded if I am not there in time to give a reply. [[User:Helper201|Helper201]] ([[User talk:Helper201#top|talk]]) 21:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
::: if . , just to . [[User:Helper201|Helper201]] ([[User talk:Helper201#top|talk]]) :, 2024 (UTC)
::::Setting an expectation of perfect consistency on Wikipedia - especially when we're discussing the topic of ideology when Marxism is involved - is impractical imo.
::::::Fair enough, but this is a quickly-moving development, so the naturally slow pace of this, combined with the fact that this is a very low-traffic pag means that consensus will likely never be acheived, simply as there aren't enough people to do it.
::::For example:
::::::There are roughly an equal number of sources describing them as center or center-left, with center-right actually being a much smaller amount that expected, and usually coming from foreign news.
::::*The relationships of [[Social Democracy]], [[Marxism]] and [[Democratic Socialism]] are also contentious, but that doesn't mean we should avoid writing about their relationships.
::::::Forcing it into the category of just "Center-right" is not only misleading and outright incorrect, but has no consensus either, as many reputable sources use "Center" or "Center-left" [[User:Mr manor11|Mr manor11]] ([[User talk:Mr manor11|talk]]) 21:41, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
::::*[[Ideology]] says that "An ideology is a set of beliefs or philosophies attributed to a person or group of persons, especially those held for reasons that are not purely epistemic", which means Marxism, as a political ''philosophy'', is an ideology.
::::*[[List of political ideologies]] includes [[Marxism]].
::::[[User:FropFrop|FropFrop]] ([[User talk:FropFrop|talk]]) 04:49, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

== About the recent Keir Starmer edits ==

I can confirm that I have no relation to the other account or IP adress. I agree that it is suspicious but it has nothing to do with me. [[User:ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter|ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter]] ([[User talk:ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter|talk]]) 15:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 04:49, 12 July 2024

Note - I briefly set up the account User:Helper201V2 when I was having trouble logging into this account. That account only ever engaged in talk about my account and never made any edits. I did not make any edits to any pages with it and will not use it to make any edits unless otherwise stated. This is the one and only account I use.

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Hello. The accounts submitted to the EC actually have this membership figure on them. There used to be a citation on the page showing this but it has since been removed - apparently the citation isn't open to the general public yet, but it should be shortly (it's actually over-due but the snap general election has slowed down the electoral commission some what). It's a bit of a waste of time to edit the graph only to change it back in a week or two - especially when I know the information to be valid.

No body[edit]

The mention of the body does not say that she is dead. But it does connect to her late father’s wish to give her a proper Christian burial. If you are willing to accept that, pls undo previous edit. If not, pls mention in the Talk.

Thank you dear for updating Awami league page back to original[edit]

Dear, I have noticed that you edited Awami League page back to original one and I'm delighted that you have done that. Unfortunately, users like Vif12vf|,Nzs9|, and ShrewMoon| take down good edits. I strongly advice you to monitor, Awami League page. It is being vandalized by users that are putting on false information and arguing about topics that they do not understand.2607:FEA8:A75B:7100:5A4:16B3:2839:64DB (talk) 18:47 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Please stop Nzs9 from editing[edit]

Nzs9|, is keeping on editing on Awami league page. He does it and then even has it undone. I would advice to monitor him and report him so he gets a ban from editing on Awami league page.2607:FEA8:A75B:7100:5A4:16B3:2839:64DB (talk) 14:27 20 March 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:A75B:7100:D4B6:874C:1C1F:7A6 (talk)

Edit war?[edit]

@Helper201, do you want to go to an edit war in the article Awami League? In my last edit I added 4-5 new references about secularism. Yes, you had told me that secularism isn't perfect for AL and I also checked the references given by you. But is AL an ideologyless party? How long we hide the ideology? If you really have any problem with secularism then open a discussion please. Or I am about to restore my previous edits. Because your behaviour seems to be an edit war to me.

In South Asian politics, it's not new to take pragmatic positions by the centrist & centre-left parties. INC in India, PPP in Pakistan & MDP in Maldives were also accused for shifting their position during the power. I have also reference whrere Sheikh Hasina claimed her party to be pragmatist, that's why they have abondend Nationalism, Democracy & Socialism. In the secularism section, I have explained the party's position on secularism and in that section & social position section I have also explained AL's conservative & pro-Islamic behaviour. Remember Congress Party also bowed to Hindu politics during it's tenure.

So, if you are still trying to force your own opinion in the article, it may be appear to me as an edit war. Wiki N Islam (talk) 08:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki N Islam I've provided counter-evidence with multiple reliable sources on the article's talk page. Until there's a consensus it should be left out. I don't think just you and I are going to come to an agreement about that. I also don't see the problem with not having any ideologies in the infobox. It’s better to leave the ideologies out that have ones in the infobox that aren’t accurate or are contested with evidence against them. Helper201 (talk) 10:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of National Popular Consciousness for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article National Popular Consciousness is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Popular Consciousness until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

D.S. Lioness (talk) 18:09, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of academic sources[edit]

I don't understand why you decided to remove my addition to the introduction based on academic sources. At the very least you could have merged it with the previous text - albeit clearly inferior in terms of documentation. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Niki_(Greek_political_party)&diff=prev&oldid=1232540649 D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

D.S. Lioness Apologies, this was unintentional. Helper201 (talk) 14:51, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marxism can be a political ideology[edit]

Sources: [1], [2] & the Oxford Handbook of Political Ideology (pg. 62)

Citing the fact that Wikipedia's article on Marxism does not give Marxism as a political ideology is not reason to reject Marxism as a political ideology. After all, Wikipedia is not a reliable source.

If you disagree with the above, then I'd cite the fact that Marxism is included under List of political ideologies.

I suspect that many would make the argument that Marxism is not an ideology but a theory, but imo this would be obfuscating the point; the point being that 'Marxism' is a core component of the party's viewpoint. Imo, arguing that a viewpoint is different to an ideology is to make a distinction without a difference. FropFrop (talk) 14:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then please try and get this cited on the Marxism page if you think it’s an ideology. Then if you are not reverted, I see no problem with then adding it to the infobox of a political party. Helper201 (talk) 06:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's obviously a contentious issue going off of their talk page archives, so I'd rather that you provide evidence that it cannot be an ideology. After all, just because a Wikipedia article doesn't say it is true, doesn't mean it's not true, per Wikipedia is not a reliable source. I have provided sources that Marxism can be an ideology so I think it fair to include that in the banner. FropFrop (talk) 03:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If its contentious then is best not to include it. There's likely good reason if users are objecting to it being labelled an ideology. I'm not making a claim about the reliability of Wikipedia, it would just be completely inconsistent and unnecessarily contentious to add something like this to an ideology section of an infobox and therefore I object to it. Helper201 (talk) 11:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Setting an expectation of perfect consistency on Wikipedia - especially when we're discussing the topic of ideology when Marxism is involved - is impractical imo.
For example:
  • The relationships of Social Democracy, Marxism and Democratic Socialism are also contentious, but that doesn't mean we should avoid writing about their relationships.
  • Ideology says that "An ideology is a set of beliefs or philosophies attributed to a person or group of persons, especially those held for reasons that are not purely epistemic", which means Marxism, as a political philosophy, is an ideology.
  • List of political ideologies includes Marxism.
FropFrop (talk) 04:49, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

About the recent Keir Starmer edits[edit]

I can confirm that I have no relation to the other account or IP adress. I agree that it is suspicious but it has nothing to do with me. ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 15:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]