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== Inchon (film) ==
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* [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Archive_76#Dani_Cavallaro]]
I'd like to retain the sources used for the ''Reviews'' subsection, but agree it might be a good idea to tweak the wording used for each. Does that sound like something you could help with? :) Thank you very much for your time and input, '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 13:54, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
:Hrm, actually maybe I'll have a go at trimming it down a bit, but let me know what you think. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 14:02, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


I brought this topic up some months ago and another editor also questioned the quality of her work. I feel she writes a lot of books as fast as possible and merely has books that appear as legitimate scholarly books on the surface but are just fluff based on online blogs hiding behind verbose jargon. In other words, not a reliable source. It was easy to remove her from the Oshii articles, but she's cited heavily in other articles and some of them are rated Good Article, so it was more work than I was willing to do so I put it on the back burner. [[User:Harizotoh9|Harizotoh9]] ([[User talk:Harizotoh9|talk]]) 01:21, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
::{{ec}}<s>Why do you want to retain the sources? It would be less repetitive to work with fewer of them and to go into more depth than saying the film is bad.</s> Sounds like a plan. I've placed the article on my watchlist. (I don't have too many on it anymore, cutting down on my activity for the most part. Damned if I can't stay away from WP, though...) [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]]) 14:07, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
:There's enough consensus and evidence brought forth that she isn't a reliable source and should be removed from pages. Issues like this should have been dealt with years ago because now her books are used heavily in several GA rated Studio Ghibli and Evangelion articles and will require extensive re-writes. [[User:Harizotoh9|Harizotoh9]] ([[User talk:Harizotoh9|talk]]) 01:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Okay, I think I have succeeded in trimming that particular subsection down significantly [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Inchon_%28film%29&action=historysubmit&diff=331262734&oldid=331260262]. Care to have another look? ;) '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 14:25, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
::That's fine. I had brought it up on RSN for fuller vetting. Now there's a RSN discussion to point to, if needed. Honestly, I only got involved with ''Angel's Egg'' because the Ruh-challenging editor had also blanked the plot summary earlier. I wanted to make sure that Ruh, and then Cavallaro, were properly assessed in terms of reliability. And now I have the film on my to-see list. {{smiley|grin}} I would post explanations on the talk pages as part of the removal process. Do what you think is best. [[User:Erik|Erik]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Erik|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) <sup>([[Template:Reply to|ping me]])</sup> 01:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
:::There's a lot of sketchy fluffy books written about anime, manga, video games, etc so unless published by a [[university press]], I'd treat them with some level of skepticism. A lot of anime/manga pages are poorly cited, and there's consistent issues with low standards so Cavarallo is a nice place to start. Roh's book is fine, as he mostly is citing print magazine sources (such as ''[[Animerica]]''), and his overviews line up with other sources. The IP editor appears to have translated sections form the JP Wikipedia page, which heavily cited Japanese print magazines and supplements (such as ''[[Animage]]''). [[User:Harizotoh9|Harizotoh9]] ([[User talk:Harizotoh9|talk]]) 02:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


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== Help needed regarding rewrite tag ==

In revision 333012628 by [[Special:Contributions/92.156.50.80|92.156.50.80]] ([[User talk:92.156.50.80|talk]]), the user added the <nowiki>{{rewrite}}</nowiki> template to [[Up in the Air (film)]] without providing a reason. If you see a reason that this article may need to be rewritten entirely to comply with Wikipedia's quality standards, please state it in [[Talk:Up in the Air (film)#Justification for rewrite tag]]. I would appreciate it if you or someone from the '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Films/American_cinema_task_force|American cinema task force]]''' would determine whether the <nowiki>{{rewrite}}</nowiki> is justified and to remove the tag if it is not. --[[User:Dan Dassow|Dan Dassow]] ([[User talk:Dan Dassow|talk]]) 13:08, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

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== Avatar ==

Please stop removing the British parts from the lede. Avatar is referred to as American-British because one of the production companies is British, and nationaility for films derives from the nationality of the production companies. The British release dates are relevant because [[WP:FilmRelease]] states that the date of teh first public showing should be included, along with the release dates of the production countries. Please restore the British release dates and the nationality otherwise I will have choice but to report you for edit-warring. Please take your concerns to the discussion page where these issues have already being discussed and settled upon. [[User:Betty Logan|Betty Logan]] ([[User talk:Betty Logan|talk]]) 14:22, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

you removed "Themes and inspirations: Deleted content backed by unreliable source -- any *.blogspot.com citation is immediately dismissed)" . How about it is supported by other Wikipedia articles to which it had direct links?????? If some pothead adds a blogspot citation - completely unrelated to the stuff I wrote BTW, but you don't read Russian do you - so *remove* *THAT* *citation*, DON'T remove the text with well established easily verified veracity. Just DON'T!!! *****GOSH!***** [[User:WillNess|WillNess]] ([[User talk:WillNess|talk]]) 19:33, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

:[[WP:BURDEN]] says, "All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation." Ideally, we shouldn't leave the material if we cannot cite it reliably. The web page from *.blogspot.com is not a reliable source. [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]]) 19:35, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

:: I've just said to you that the blogspot sitation was NOT a source for this. Someone added it on their own, and it was completely irrelevant. So remove THAT CITATION, don't remove the text. It has links to other Wikipedia articles showing its veracity: just CLICK to see for yourself. [[User:WillNess|WillNess]] ([[User talk:WillNess|talk]]) 19:40, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

:::You can't cite Wikipedia to back Wikipedia. Text has to be backed by a reliable source. [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]]) 19:42, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

== Hmmm ==

How did you go from good guy to bad guy and I got the crappy post and represented as a vandal? [[User:Wildhartlivie|Wildhartlivie]] ([[User talk:Wildhartlivie|talk]]) 19:15, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

:I don't know. I just focused my clash on the content itself. :P [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]]) 19:16, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

::Are you aware of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ani#Please_can_I_have_some_advice this] on AN/I? [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 00:24, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

== [[The Hurt Locker]] award section cleanup ==

Just want to call your attention to some cleanup of The Hurt Locker's award section. I've outlined what I'm thinking about doing [[talk:The Hurt Locker#Awards|on the talk page here]], and would appreciate your thoughts and comments! There's been some contentious editing on this article in the past, and I'd like to avoid that here if at all possible.

Also, what do you think about my comment on trying to get a more consistent awards format for films? Worth talking about it at [[WP:FILM]]? Thanks! [[User:Ravensfire|Ravensfire]] ([[User talk:Ravensfire|talk]]) 20:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

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== An article you have worked on is up for deletion ==

[[Characters and wildlife in Avatar]] is now sent to AFD. This message is being sent to everyone who worked on it, who isn't already there. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 19:52, 24 December 2009 (UTC
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== WP:AN/I ==

Hi there. I can't see that you were notified so I thought I'd let you know and apologize for this getting to this point. Are you aware that [[User:Betty Logan|Betty Logan]] filed a [[WP:AN/I]] report where you are mentioned? It's at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Please can I have some advice]]. I'm sorry I stepped in. [[User:Wildhartlivie|Wildhartlivie]] ([[User talk:Wildhartlivie|talk]]) 01:15, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
:It would be a lot easier if she wasn't going around posting comments at the talk pages of people who filed a sock puppet accusation against me. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SkagitRiverQueen&curid=25214735&diff=333973423&oldid=333969000] and see [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wildhartlivie|here]]. Comments at the latter would be appreciated. [[User:Wildhartlivie|Wildhartlivie]] ([[User talk:Wildhartlivie|talk]]) 16:47, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

== Happy Holidays ==

Happy Holidays. Hope all is going well. [[User:Bignole|<small>'''<span style="background:Maroon;color:Gold"> &nbsp;BIGNOLE&nbsp;</span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Bignole|<small>(Contact me)</small>]] 21:12, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

:You, too! [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]]) 21:24, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

== Infobox question ==

Hey Erik. Hope you had a great Christmas. I noticed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Avatar_%282009_film%29&diff=333983225&oldid=333982877 this edit from you] that you de-linked {{tl:FilmUS}} and {{tl:FilmUK}} from the infobox. I thought that was encouraged per [[Template:Infobox_Film]]. Has this changed? Thanks --'''<span style="border: 3.5px #7BA05B solid;background:#A8A8A8;font-family: Century Gothic">[[User:MikeAllen|<font color="#BE0032">Mike</font>]] [[User talk:MikeAllen|<font color="#BE0032">Allen</font>]]</span>''' 23:20, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
:Reviewing the documentation for the template, it appears that an editor unilaterally made changes to it to link to the appropriate cinema article. It is not appropriate to link to such articles because it violates [[WP:EGG]] -- you think you're going to [[United States]] when you actually end up at [[Cinema of the United States]]. In addition, in my experience, it's overlinking to link to a country like the United States because it is so general, and it does not help readers much to visit that article. Similar logic applies to the lead sentence with the year, the nationality, and the basic genre. It seems fair to say that everyone knows what science fiction films, comedy films, and war films are, etc. What I've done in lieu of overlinking there is to do a "See also" section like at [[Fight Club (film)#See also]]. If you think that this approach or an approach you have in mind needs consensus, feel free to start discussion at [[WT:FILM]] or [[Template talk:Infobox film]] (the latter with a notification to WT:FILM since not everyone follows the template's talk page). [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]]) 23:36, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
::Hmm that may be a good idea. Because I thought the guidelines were correct. EVERY film article I have worked (or working) on I have included the FilmUS etc. Sometimes it seems like you do, do and do and then it's not right. Sigh. lol I well bring it up later on tonight. :) --'''<span style="border: 3.5px #7BA05B solid;background:#A8A8A8;font-family: Century Gothic">[[User:MikeAllen|<font color="#BE0032">Mike</font>]] [[User talk:MikeAllen|<font color="#BE0032">Allen</font>]]</span>''' 23:46, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
:::I think when templates like {{tl|FilmUS}} exist, they tend to catch on for better or worse. I remember when we split "distributor" into "studio" and "distributor", there was someone who made it their job to implement the new field and its attributes in a lot of the articles of major films. [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]]) 00:01, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
I have a quick question. On the film [[The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus]], since it's not a US film. Do we still use the [[USD|$]] sign for the box office gross/budget, etc? --'''<span style="border: 3.5px #7BA05B solid;background:#A8A8A8;font-family: Century Gothic">[[User:MikeAllen|<font color="#BE0032">Mike</font>]] [[User talk:MikeAllen|<font color="#BE0032">Allen</font>]]</span>''' 23:55, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
:It's best to use the currency based on the nationality of the film, but I think that the best sources of box office figures tend to use American dollars. If the film makes a big splash in the United States, then I think you see figures thrown around more in American dollars. There's no hard and fast rule for it. When in doubt, you could try to mention both, like "The film grossed £''x'' (US$1.6x''x'')." [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]]) 00:01, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
::: See [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Films/Style_guidelines#.7B.7Btl:FilmUS.7D.7D_is_a_no-no|here]]. :D --'''<span style="border: 3.5px #7BA05B solid;background:#A8A8A8;font-family: Century Gothic">[[User:MikeAllen|<font color="#BE0032">Mike</font>]] [[User talk:MikeAllen|<font color="#BE0032">Allen</font>]]</span>''' 00:27, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

== Hello, Erik! ==

Re: your changes to ''[[The Big Street]]'', when did we stop using {{tl:FilmUS}} in the infobox and linking the year of release and country of origin in the lead? I don't recall reading any discussion about this. Thanks, and happy holidays! <font face="Tempus Sans ITC">'''[[User:LiteraryMaven|LiteraryMaven]]'''</font> ([[User talk:LiteraryMaven|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LiteraryMaven|contrib]]) 16:17, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

== References ==

Please refrain from removing references, as you did in [[Jagernaut]] twice now already. Removal of references is not considered good editing on Wikipedia. If you have problems with these references, raise the issue on the article's talk page, and gain consensus before removing them. Not adhering to the rules of good editing on Wikipedia will possibly result in you being blocked from editing on Wikipedia. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 16:20, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

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I brought this topic up some months ago and another editor also questioned the quality of her work. I feel she writes a lot of books as fast as possible and merely has books that appear as legitimate scholarly books on the surface but are just fluff based on online blogs hiding behind verbose jargon. In other words, not a reliable source. It was easy to remove her from the Oshii articles, but she's cited heavily in other articles and some of them are rated Good Article, so it was more work than I was willing to do so I put it on the back burner. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:21, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's enough consensus and evidence brought forth that she isn't a reliable source and should be removed from pages. Issues like this should have been dealt with years ago because now her books are used heavily in several GA rated Studio Ghibli and Evangelion articles and will require extensive re-writes. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine. I had brought it up on RSN for fuller vetting. Now there's a RSN discussion to point to, if needed. Honestly, I only got involved with Angel's Egg because the Ruh-challenging editor had also blanked the plot summary earlier. I wanted to make sure that Ruh, and then Cavallaro, were properly assessed in terms of reliability. And now I have the film on my to-see list. I would post explanations on the talk pages as part of the removal process. Do what you think is best. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 01:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's a lot of sketchy fluffy books written about anime, manga, video games, etc so unless published by a university press, I'd treat them with some level of skepticism. A lot of anime/manga pages are poorly cited, and there's consistent issues with low standards so Cavarallo is a nice place to start. Roh's book is fine, as he mostly is citing print magazine sources (such as Animerica), and his overviews line up with other sources. The IP editor appears to have translated sections form the JP Wikipedia page, which heavily cited Japanese print magazines and supplements (such as Animage). Harizotoh9 (talk) 02:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nomination of List of films featuring space stations for deletion

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 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Spider-Man (2002 film) § Plot section. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:01, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]