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Dear K3, I was pinged by Admantine123 on my talk page to correct the portion related to controversial stuffs to a 2-3 line on my talk page, even LukeEmily was tagged and I was told there is no problem. Now, the other editor is again engaged into changing things to his liking. I am sharing the diff of the communication to me. I think this behaviour is deliberately obstructive. Akalanka820 (talk) 03:44, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

here is the diff- [[1]] Akalanka820 (talk) 03:47, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Now, third editor Hemantha, who has never engaged into any discussion there is now reverting. Akalanka820 (talk) 03:49, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am adding this diff here- [[2]], the concerned editor Hemantha never participated into any discussion and reverts edit giving very rude edit summary, calling others arguments weak without any participation. He isn't aware of any talk page discussion where I have mentioned that I was pinged to correct it into 2-3 lines. I have already shared diffs of it here. Akalanka820 (talk) 04:04, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Akalanka, sorry to be responding late. It seems that Admantine123 has agreed with one of your positions, but that may not be so for the other editors. So you still have work to do to persuade them. There is also no requirement that editors should have participated in the talk page discussion in order to make edits (reverts, in this case). But, once they are opposed, they need to engage on the talk page. I am sorry there isn't much else I can do in this case.

The best I can suggest right now is to first clean up the page: fix the typos, grammatical errors etc., remove off-topic content, and make the page readable. Then you can invite other editors to read through it and give their opinion. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:34, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sir, the point is before engaging into complete reverting to his liking, at the least the editor could have responded me on the talk page where I was pinged by the other editor agreeing to some positions. Lastly, it would be better for the page if you can suggest something which you think on this topic on the articles talk page. The question is simple: Is this a community page? Or a Landlords vs Depressed class struggle ? In all the references except two village cases, it says Landlords of Bhumihars and Rajputs not only Rajputs. So, considering all this why should we just describe it here completely rather than on a more direct relevant page except some lines mention to it. This was the decided part by the editor on my page and I don't know why it should be a problem? Akalanka820 (talk) 17:19, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The content i was added in the article of Bappa Rawal was well sourced, firstly i addd the page number regarding the title "Purana Purusha, so there is no sense in adding "page needed", that is well sourced citation Then i removed "Different historians have identified him with various rulers of the Guhila dynasty, including Kalabhoja, Shiladitya, and Khumana." Because it was unreliable information without any source, the Kaalbhoj was the name of Bappa Rawal, Shiladitya was his ancestor and Khuman was his son, it is a fact Then i added regnal name which was used during the reign of Bappa Rawal, while actually his birth name was Kaalbhoj Also i added Posthumous name "Shriguhil govarendra Chandra" , the posthumous name which was given to Bappa Rawal after his death, i even added source with that Then i added his another name "Kaalbhoj" in led, and then added Udaipur State which itself founded by Bappa Rawal, the Mewar region was unreliable because it was known even before Bappa Rawal, there is not a single source who consider Bappa as founder of "Mewar Region", he was founder of "Mewar Kingdom" not region, the region was kneon even before him I also removed "Arab invasion of Chittod" and added "Arab invasion of India" because he not only repelled Chittod invasion while he repelled Indian Invasion of Arabs, Battle of Ujjain is perfect example of this where Armies of both Bappa Rawal and Nagbhat 1st defeated Arabs (Ummayd Caliphate)

This is my explanation, i added neutral information, there is nothing wrong about that Takshak24 (talk) 06:07, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The page, as it has existed for a long time, seems perfectly fine. Nothing more needs to be added. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:46, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are many errors in that page and i have explained, the page really need change as nothing is permanent Takshak24 (talk) 13:31, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On Wikipedia, you cannot delete or modify reliably sourced content without discussing it first and obtaining editor WP:CONSENSUS. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:43, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So, we are also discussing, i found many unreliable contents in this article and i explained those contents, the content i was talking about was not even sourced Takshak24 (talk) 10:36, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, which summarises the reliable sources. The summarisation is our own, it may not exist in any other source. But in order to verify it, you would need to consult the sources. That page has been mostly written and vetted by an experienced editor who is also an admin. But if you find anything questionable, you should raise it on the article's talk page. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:13, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for suggestion, i raise this topic on articles talk page, as i did nothing wrong, i found many errors in article Takshak24 (talk) 08:31, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Recently i saw you corrected some references on the page. I am writing an another article. How to use this book, it was used on Bhumi Sena article and someone said that it's the wrong way to use as the name of the book is just a "collection" (something like that) its actually "Smouldering Dalit fire in Bihar" is the name. Admantine123 (talk) 16:29, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The "Smouldering" article is a journal article, and it is cited correctly. I don't see a problem.

Often people cite a book, which is actually an edited collection, without identifying the actual artile and its author. To find that information, you need to go to the table of contents of the book. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:37, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can i cite it like this? I want these pages to open in citation from this particular "book", as it can be previewed easily.

• GEORGE J. KUNNATH (2017). Smouldering Dalit Fires in Bihar. Routledge. p. 89-95. ISBN 978-1351381819. Retrieved 16 June 2022.. The name of this collection is " Windows into a Revolution: Ethnographies of Maoism in India and Nepal Front Cover Alpa Shah, Judith Pettigrew", i want this book to open, when someone want to view that content is sourced or not not the "JSTOR".Admantine123 (talk) 02:45, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not exactly. It should be like this:

• George J. Kunnath (2017). "Smouldering Dalit Fires in Bihar". In eeeditor-name (ed.). Book title. Routledge. p. 89-95. ISBN 978-1351381819.

Use chapter-url instead of the url field. Note also that the accessdate field is perfectly useless! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:09, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The document is at Template:Citation. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:10, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I had made some edits on the Wiki Page for Hunzal valley and Shamshal. The Hunzal valley or Shamshal village comes under Gilgit Baltistan region which acceeded with India in 1947. The wiki page for these regions incorrectly state that it belongs to Pakistan. This region is part of the Union Territory of Jammu and Kashmir which js part of India; this is the official position of the Republic of India.

You have reversed my edits citing that there is no basis for this. What additional reference do Wikipedia need to correct this mistake? Srivatsan (talk) 21:48, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I gave you a welcome message on your talk page, which has links to the Wikipedia policies. Please follow the first link in partcular, "five pillars". All editing of Wikipedia must be done in accordance with those policies. Your personal opinions are of no consequence, and neither are those of the Government of India. You should not edit any Kashmir-related topics until you have a solid understanding of Wikipedia policies. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice kautilya you have proven that kashmiri are superior in this region I have written sourced history and why you removed Kishtwari cusine , unsourced are you, you just want to say that kishtwar and doda is of kashmir and kashmiri people you don't stay neutral . Tell me any one thing from the history which was unsourced go first read about history and then revert my edits. 182.69.61.80 (talk) 18:29, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice kautilya you want to prove kishtwari as kashmiri dialect now tell me what was unsourced in siddeshwar varma lingustics, you don't have any reason to revert my edits , with out knowing kishtwari connection with western pahadi you are reffering kishtwari as kashmiri dialcet, I have a question do you speak kishtwari? Do you know this language very well? I'm a speaker of kishtwari and i know kishtwari very well , without knowing reality you are just giving excuses . 122.161.243.52 (talk) 03:08, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It makes no difference what you speak and what you don't. All edits to Wikipedia must be accompanied by reliable sources, especially if they want to modify content that is already reliably sourced. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:34, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Kautilya3,

Welcome to Wikipedia! I edit here too, under the username MPGuy2824, and I thank you for your contributions.

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-MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:13, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Can you tell me the use of these two-

• 'abcdef'
• "abcdef "

Thanks. Admantine123 (talk) 17:56, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On Wikipedia, we generally use double quotes (the second form). Single quotes are used for any internal quotations inside the quote text. You can consult MOS:QUOTATIONS. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:28, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Kautilya3,

I don't understand why you want to go back reverted.

" In June 1962, Indian forces established an outpost called the Dhola Post on the northern slopes of Tsangdhar Range, in the right-side of Namka Chu valley, facing the southern slopes of Thagla Ridge. Clearly, The Dhola Post lay north of the map-marked McMahon Line which straight across Tsangdhar Range but south of Thagla Ridge along which India interpreted the McMahon Line to run."

All I edited some the facts from map,

As for the edited-content is right or wrong, everyone will judge by themselves. At the same time, your reverted behavior reminds me of your position.

LuciferAhriman (talk) 09:42, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If border line is legal, but map-marked border line is not along the highest ridges watershed need both sides negotiate.

Is McMahon Line legal recognized?  India Yes,  People's Republic of China No

LuciferAhriman (talk) 10:12, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

LuciferAhriman, on Wikipedia, the WP:ONUS rests on those who want to make changes to the existing content to argue for their changes. Retaining WP:STATUSQUO does not warrant an explanation. All page content-related discussion needs to take place on the article talk page. So I suggest you copy your post there.

Since you have refrained from writing edit summaries, despite my repeated requests, all edits will get reverted when one is found to be problematic.

Note also that the legality of McMahon Line is not pertinent to the content of this page. That can only be discussed on the McMahon Line page. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:09, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I've been writing a tourism section for the Himalaya page for the past two weeks. I have a draft, would you like to review it? I could use some suggestions on improving it before I fill in the references and add it to the page. It would be greatly appreciated! UnpetitproleX (talk) 19:03, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi UnpetitproleX, sure, I will be glad to. Where is the draft? Please don't expect too much from though. I know very little about the subject. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I will email it to you. And that’s ok, comments about general coherence, grammar, due weight etc are what I’m most looking for. UnpetitproleX (talk) 20:00, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please be warned, K3, that this editor has been making disruptive interruptions on the page, generally adding undue changes, promoting the Indian Himalayas, and the India-POV. If he dumps this "tourism" section all at once, instead of adding it in small edits, I will revert it. The editor has been attempting to bait me on a number of WP pages. I have warned them that if they pursue this further, I will be taking them to AN and asking for a topic ban, so sick and tired I am of their POV promotion. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is me who is sick and tired of your repetitive wikihounding and incessant bullying. Be warned that you have violated WP:CASTINGASPERSIONS more times than you have went back on your reverts of my edits, which is, so to say, a lot. UnpetitproleX (talk) 20:48, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also you may be from a time when it was acceptable to assume people’s gender, but nowadays it is considered impolite. UnpetitproleX (talk) 20:52, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You can preach banalities to me later but I have a track record of NPOV and DUE behind me, a long one, in article after article. You don't. I have warned you. Himalayas is a high-level article. You are not able to edit in a DUE manner. You are not able to write coherent English prose. Cut you teeth on small article and learn some skills. But you feel offended, bristle, and feel renewed to cantankerously keep doing what you have been doing. In the process, you hold up progress on articles, and become a disruptive presence. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Take it to ANI. Or present diffs. Simply repeating “this editor is a pov pusher” with zero evidence every single time like a broken record and going to the lengths of appearing on several pages out of the blue to do the same is indeed harassment on wikipedia. UnpetitproleX (talk) 05:23, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is what I mean by UNDUE:

Please be warned, K3, that this editor has been making disruptive interruptions on the page, generally adding undue changes, promoting the Indian Himalayas, and the India-POV. If he dumps this "tourism" section all at once, instead of adding it in small edits, I will revert it. The editor has been attempting to bait me on a number of WP pages. I have warned them that if they pursue this further, I will be taking them to AN and asking for a topic ban, so sick and tired I am of their POV promotion. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, I don't want to importune K3 unnecessarily. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:02, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your response to someone (politely) asking you to not assume their gender is telling them you only did it once, and that them pointing out that you did so is “UNDUE”. Amazing. UnpetitproleX (talk) 05:53, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please read Carol Gilligan before you shunt garbage. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 08:32, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]