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We are not citing for the importance of SIFF. We are citing for whether they gave the award. |
I've added another citation (from shortfilm.de) for the film having had 48 festival invitations and 26 awards. Surely that is enough. And, no, I'm not working on this further. |
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:::We are not citing for the importance of SIFF. We are citing for whether they gave the award. An instutition's own site is the ''preferred'' source for an an official action by that institution. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 16:29, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
:::We are not citing for the importance of SIFF. We are citing for whether they gave the award. An instutition's own site is the ''preferred'' source for an an official action by that institution. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 16:29, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Weak keep'''. A lot of the material here is in German, and a lot of it appears to have come narrowly too early for widespread digitization. [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Bilder_vom_Jahrtausendende/Nf8KEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA191&printsec=frontcover Here] is unquestionably relevant coverage in a German film studies book. I believe [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Film_Dienst/jhsIAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22surprise%22+%22veit+helmer%22&dq=%22surprise%22+%22veit+helmer%22&printsec=frontcover this Google Books] snippet view is actually of a magazine article reviewing its release as part of a DVD. Finally, I only have a citation so I can't evaluate the source, but there appears to be a Spanish-language scholarly article about this short film: Meier, A. "Sorpresas educativas en Surprise de Veit Helmer." Posibilidades del análisis cinematográfico (1era ed., Vol. 1, pp. 365-373). Secretaría de Educación del gobierno del Estado de México (2015). [[User:Lubal|Lubal]] ([[User talk:Lubal|talk]]) 15:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
*'''Weak keep'''. A lot of the material here is in German, and a lot of it appears to have come narrowly too early for widespread digitization. [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Bilder_vom_Jahrtausendende/Nf8KEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA191&printsec=frontcover Here] is unquestionably relevant coverage in a German film studies book. I believe [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Film_Dienst/jhsIAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22surprise%22+%22veit+helmer%22&dq=%22surprise%22+%22veit+helmer%22&printsec=frontcover this Google Books] snippet view is actually of a magazine article reviewing its release as part of a DVD. Finally, I only have a citation so I can't evaluate the source, but there appears to be a Spanish-language scholarly article about this short film: Meier, A. "Sorpresas educativas en Surprise de Veit Helmer." Posibilidades del análisis cinematográfico (1era ed., Vol. 1, pp. 365-373). Secretaría de Educación del gobierno del Estado de México (2015). [[User:Lubal|Lubal]] ([[User talk:Lubal|talk]]) 15:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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* I've added another citation (from shortfilm.de) for the film having had 48 festival invitations and 26 awards. Surely that is enough. And, no, I'm not working on this further. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 16:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Unsourced article about a short film. The notability claim here, that it won an award at a regional film festival, would be fine if the article were properly sourced -- but the "awards" criterion in NFILM is looking for top internationally-prominent film festivals on the order of Cannes, Berlin, Venice, Toronto or Sundance, not just any film festival that exists, so winning an award at the Seattle film festival isn't "inherently" notable enough to exempt the film from actually having to have any sources. Bearcat (talk) 14:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and Germany. Bearcat (talk) 14:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'll try to find a source for that; SIFF is about one level down from the aforementioned. It is certainly not a "regional film festival". - Jmabel | Talk 14:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- The source for a film festival award cannot be said film festival's own self-published website about itself, as that isn't independent of the statement — the source has to be a journalist-written newspaper or magazine article, or a book, that shows that the film festival's award announcements are considered newsworthy and/or historically significant by people other than the film festival's own staff. (The awards at the top-level likes of Cannes or TIFF make films notable because those are awards that get reported by media as news — they're special because media tell us they're special by treating them as newsworthy, not just because we like them more than we like smaller film festivals.) But so far the source you've added is SIFF's own website, not a piece of GNG-building third-party coverage — and even if you can find a more GNG-worthy source for that, we would still need to see other GNG-worthy sourcing about the film alongside that anyway. Bearcat (talk) 15:24, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- We are not citing for the importance of SIFF. We are citing for whether they gave the award. An instutition's own site is the preferred source for an an official action by that institution. - Jmabel | Talk 16:29, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- The source for a film festival award cannot be said film festival's own self-published website about itself, as that isn't independent of the statement — the source has to be a journalist-written newspaper or magazine article, or a book, that shows that the film festival's award announcements are considered newsworthy and/or historically significant by people other than the film festival's own staff. (The awards at the top-level likes of Cannes or TIFF make films notable because those are awards that get reported by media as news — they're special because media tell us they're special by treating them as newsworthy, not just because we like them more than we like smaller film festivals.) But so far the source you've added is SIFF's own website, not a piece of GNG-building third-party coverage — and even if you can find a more GNG-worthy source for that, we would still need to see other GNG-worthy sourcing about the film alongside that anyway. Bearcat (talk) 15:24, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. A lot of the material here is in German, and a lot of it appears to have come narrowly too early for widespread digitization. Here is unquestionably relevant coverage in a German film studies book. I believe this Google Books snippet view is actually of a magazine article reviewing its release as part of a DVD. Finally, I only have a citation so I can't evaluate the source, but there appears to be a Spanish-language scholarly article about this short film: Meier, A. "Sorpresas educativas en Surprise de Veit Helmer." Posibilidades del análisis cinematográfico (1era ed., Vol. 1, pp. 365-373). Secretaría de Educación del gobierno del Estado de México (2015). Lubal (talk) 15:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I've added another citation (from shortfilm.de) for the film having had 48 festival invitations and 26 awards. Surely that is enough. And, no, I'm not working on this further. - Jmabel | Talk 16:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)