User talk:TheJazzFan: Difference between revisions

Hello.

Hi, I've filed an RfM on Ayn Rand, including as parties only those who've recently edited the article. However, as you've commented on talk, you might want to be involved too. If so, please add your name to the list of parties at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Ayn Rand. Cheers, SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 02:21, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Have to mull it over, not clear how important what Wikipedia says on the subject is. It's not like it's going to end all debate about her. People bright enough to grasp what she said should be able to decide for themselves. TheJazzFan (talk) 04:19, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

JazzFan, if I in any way caused you to stumble into the miasma that is the Ayn Rand discussion I apologize. :) Indeed, her legacy will continue no matter how much "trimming", "summarizing" and "balancing" her opponents pursue. On the one hand they're complaining she's covered too much in relation to other philosophers, and on the other hand they won't even acknowledge that she's a philosopher. Irony. Not to mention the fact that they can't seem to take their eyes off her. :) Cheers. I haven't had a chance to look into the MSG discussion. But chemicals is bad m-kay, to quote Mr. Garrison. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:03, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have in fact given a great deal of thought to the root causes of the Holocaust, and assure you that I feel no moral ambivalence whatsoever about it. My conclusion is that events like the Holocaust are caused by idolatry--the worship of human constructs or worse, human beings. Having read all of Rand's novels and much of her nonfiction, I also conclude that she and her followers are idolaters, and would be glad to forward you a paper I wrote a couple of years ago that argues just that. TallNapoleon (talk) 19:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I understand and agree with you comments on multiculturalism. But the talk page is not an appropriate place for you to engage in such a debate, no matter ho entertaining. You run the risk of being blocked form editing both for misusing the talk page, and for what will be said to be your incivility to the people with whom you are interacting. You may find it instructing to know what sort of people you are dealing with.

"Yeah, I removed myself from this page for a reason. I have nothing at all good to say about Rand. I despise her too much to be of any use to the neutrality of this article. I find her to be a fourth-rate philosopher consisting of banal assertions: "The world is real", "we can use our senses to examine reality", dressed up in pseudo-philosophical language, and without anything resembling rigorous logical argument. With this in mind, I don't think I can remain neutral. I just want to point out that a few editors here are, to the same degree, far too jealously devoted to Rand to contribute to the neutrality of this article either. I'm not sure what wiki policy is in such cases, but it's a real problem for this article, and for any figure which has a cult-like following. I'm not sure how matters were resolved on figures like L.Ron Hubbard (which is a pretty neutral article), but similar steps will probably have to be taken here. CABlankenship (talk) 04:02, 3 January 2009 (UTC)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ayn_Rand/Archive_16#Propaganda_pae