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Not a word about his murdering a police officer. Stunning. This entire article is a disgraceful whitewash. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.57.119.107 (talk) 13:09, 2 December 2009 (UTC) Martin Hausen 23:33, 3 December 2009 (UTC)The information is there. A lot of effort is going into improving this article so it meets wikipedia quality standards. If there are other things you feel are missing, you're welcome to participate, remember to provide citations and to maintain a neutral point of view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mhausen77 (talk • contribs) [reply]

He is a former member of the Tupamaros, a terrorist organisation. I think we need to address his former terrorism in the article, perhaps in a separate section. Gauge 2m (talk) 13:40, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to the wikipedia article on terrorism, to qualify the group must use violence targeted at civilians, and if you want to call the tupamaros a terrorist organization, you need to provide citations that prove this. This article had survived for a long time calling Mujica a politician and it seems the objective in editing it now is political and non-neutral in nature. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.205.103.55 (talk) 15:11, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this article is in spanish: http://www.envozalta.org/accionterrorista.html, but details terrorist acts perpetrated by the tupamaro movement. Of course this should have been addressed earlier, but the main page link is acting as a catalyzer for this article´s research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.27.197.130 (talk) 15:57, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mhausen77 (talk) 17:21, 1 December 2009 (UTC) The link you provide may call the tupamaros a terrorist group (not suprisingly since it mainly contains articles by the former enemies of the tupamaros, many of them now serving time for human rights violations. But I'm discussing the definition of terrorism that wikipedia gives, more in line with international views, therefore you need to reference citations that show that the tupamaros targeted civilians with violence. So far, the only victims of the tupamaros I can find are either uniformed personnel, a CIA agent, and a civilian who happened to find a secret hiding place. This hardly compares to real terrorist organizations like Al-Qaeda, that cause the death of thousands of civilians by targeting them systematically.[reply]

Martin Hausen 16:53, 3 December 2009 (UTC) I included the information that he was kept as a hostage and this was removed apparently because the word "hostage" is not neutral. The term hostage ("rehen") was used by both sides of the conflict to refer to these 9 tupamaros imprisoned and kept alive in case there would be another tupamaro action. Therefore, I do not see why not to use it here.

This is of course interesting to know, but it would be good to have a source for it. Feketekave (talk) 20:05, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Again, another word removed out of the article citing a NPOV was "political prisoner". The majority of those escaped had not received sentences due simply to the crime they had committed but according to their political intention to cause a revolution ("sedición"), therefore making them political prisoners. Also, given the dubious legality of the process that sentenced him (regardless of his culpability) I would not say he "served" a certain number of years. Please discuss here before further edits to the article, as the page is featured in the main page of wikipedia.

I'm thinking on expanding on the nature of the administration of Jorge Pacheco Areco under which Mujica was imprisoned.

Martin Hausen 13:44, 2 December 2009 (UTC) I'm removing the tag "Uruguayan criminal" based on the fact that he was given Amnesty, which is defined by wikipedia as including "more than pardon, in as much as it obliterates all legal remembrance of the offense. The word has the same root as amnesia." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mhausen77 (talk • contribs)

Something is wrong with this sentence in the background section -- "Several years after the restoration of democracy, Mujica joined other members of the Tupamaros and other to create the Movement of Popular Participation, a political party that was accepted within the Broad Front coalition." What does the "and other" mean? Was it former Tupamaros and other people in general and therefore should be "and others", or was it only Tupamaros and those words "and other" should be cut?InspectorSands (talk) 02:36, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was Tupamaros and other left-wing groups (which seceded in the 90s) so it should be "others". It's been changed with reference added.Martin Hausen 15:32, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, this sentence: "In 1985, when democracy was restored, Mujica was freed under a general amnesty for all common and political prisoners since 1962." Is it supposed to be "held since 1962"? Or was the first general amnesty since 1962?InspectorSands (talk) 02:48, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to reflect that the amnesty covered all crimes committed with a political goal since 1962 (except homicide), reference provided. Thanks for suggestions. Martin Hausen 15:32, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

He is Captain Kangaroo's twin brother. Why isn't this included in the article????