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I used the Amazon.com MP3 store link to source my addition of the second digital remix EP for "Bad Romance". It is no more a retail link than the links to the iTunes Store that are used to reference any other digital releases. I've reverted your revert because it is a reliable source, regardless of it being to the Amazon MP3 Store.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:36, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have reverted back, please take the issue of Amazon being an unreliable source with WP:RS. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 07:44, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How is Amazon not a reliable source when iTunes is?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:53, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because Amazon chooses to sale a product irrespective of the owner's agreement, while itunes only sells licensed and copyrighted products released to them. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 07:56, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Amazon MP3 Store and the iTunes Store hold prety much the same content. You can find all of the releases by Lady Gaga from the iTunes Store on the Amazon MP3 Store. Considering that there is an album cover, a track list, a series of remixes previously released in other nations on CDs and other digital releases, I believe we can use this as a reliable source, at least until the same content appears on the iTunes Store, afterwhich the link can be replaced. I am going to be bringing this up on the article talk page as well. Also, my additions are certainly not what is considered vandalism. I suggest you read up on that before baselessly accusing me of performing vandalism.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:01, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I said before, please take up the issue with WP:RS if you believe that Amazon is a reliable source, persisting to add an unreliable source is indeed vandalism. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:04, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing on WP:RS or WP:V that states that using what one editor construes as an unreliable source is vandalism. If anything, this is a content dispute and edit war. I will be bringing this up on WP:RSN.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No. Amazon is largely considered unreliable like Digital spy. As I said go to WP:RSN and gain a consensus there instead of asking and wasting my time. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:09, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A thread has been started.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:12, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good. Don't forget to inform me the outcome as this will impact otehr articles also. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:14, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will. And in the future, you should assume better faith of other editors. I certainly know what I am doing. I certainly know what I was doing was not vandalism. And I certainly know this project's guidelines and policies. I've been a member of this project longer than you have, and for approximately two and a half years I had administrative tools.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:17, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(Outdent)You having administrative tools doesnot matter anything at all to me. If you persist on adding unreliable sources, its vandalism and against WP:RS, simple as that. I know when to assume WP:AGF. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:19, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is not vandalism. And it is not against RS just because you think it is. And you should be involved with the RSN thread. I'm not going to tell you what the results are.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:26, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, I'll comment. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would appreciate if you did not repeat what you did here in the future. Bad Romance - The Remixes Part 2, Bad Romance (The Remixes, Pt. 2) - EP, Bad Romance - The Remixes Part 2. Clearly, Amazon.com's MP3 store is a reliable source for information on digitally released music.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:29, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You have not been involved at all on the WP:RSN discussion. Another link reference has been used in its place. You do not get to control what can and cannot be used as a reference. In the future, if the Amazon.com MP3 store has an album listed, it will definitely be appearing in the artist's discography as well as the iTunes Store. The WP:RSN discussion has been coming up with the conclusion that Amazon.com can be used as a reliable source when it comes to digital music downloads.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:48, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In the process of tweaking. Wiki ed isn't working :( —Aaroncrick (talk) 06:15, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Have a good time. I'm not sure, it shouldn't matter. Do you use Wiki ed? It's very annoying how it's not working! —Aaroncrick (talk) 06:38, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And WTF is WP:PERSONDATA? —Aaroncrick (talk) 06:39, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

YM did write A captain’s legacy. —Aaroncrick (talk) 09:12, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Legolas, I have posted a summary of the discussion so far at RSN. Unless you want to add anything further, I'll mark the thread resolved with the following conclusions:

1. that Musicnotes.com should not be linked (because it is a commercial site which we would then be endorsing)
2. that their sheet music is not a reliable source for describing a song as recorded and released
3. that it can be used with attribution only ("the song's tempo, as given in the Alfred Music Publishing sheet music, is x beats per minute", etc.).

If you're agreeable to the above, and given that people look to FAs for guidance on best practice, could you please update the 4 Minutes (Madonna song) FA accordingly? Thanks, --JN466 14:25, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate that you're constantly watching Lady Gaga's pages. But "The Fame Monster" did not reach #1 after the two albums were merged. It reached #2. The Fame Monster should show the highest peak of which it itself reached which on the UK Albums Chart was #2. It's difficult to explain what I mean, if Monster reached #1 after the albums were merged then it would be fine but the album reached #1 before they were merged. Yet it shows on both pages they reached #1. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

PS. I agree with your standing on not having a sales column just having the certifications and a link to "List of Music Recording Sales Certifications" to give people the choice if they care or not. Could this be made a rule? Jayy008 (talk) 18:37, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes of course I understand what you mean. And yeah, the sales thing should be made a rule. Saves a lot of time from the fancrufty sales additions. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:22, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! You helped with Taylor Swift discography and I've been trying to control what good faith editors are doing. But they have ruined the promotional singles section of the discography. Please try to explain to them that every remix or promo single that was eventually turned into a single should not be added. Please do it soon because in the way this is going, it seems I'm probably not going to be able to have a FLC with. All my hard work is going to go to waist. Please help. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 22:06, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I see your not assuming good faith again. Luckily for you I'm no troll. What I have done is watchlisted more pages because of your sneeky activity of revert, redirects and other activity which when challenged you have no answer for. I still await diffs on the Lady Gaga template discussion by the way. All that said there is no I'll feel. Happy editing! Regards, SunCreator (talk) 08:03, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:NPA and stop name-calling others. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:05, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You just called me a troll, sending me a link to a banned user (so you are threatening me), then at the same time you claiming NPA. Think about that for a moment. If you want to have me checked against some user I never heard of then go ahead. I have something like 9000 edit, I have no time to play multiple accounts. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 08:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No Im not threatening you, however your trolling my edits seemed too familiar with that banned user, especially your affinities to edit the same articles. I would just appreciate, per WP:WQA that you don't troll through my edits. I don't have any personal angst against you, and seriously I have no intention to call others sneaky, I'm too busy to do so. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it does seem like a similar case. The contributions consist of both Gaga and Chess. That is why I suspect it, but I do not want to accuse the user as a sockpuppet, because that may possibly get me into trouble also. Perhaps if this persists, which I assume it will, you may wish to bring forward some administrative action. • вяαdcяochat 09:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, just in a days work for the Gaga articles. Did you see Dance in the Dark? I just lmao seeing that it is being discussed for the redirect. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hehe. I just took a look. The article is completely unsourced, with ^{[citation needed]} tags everywhere. What is the purpose of creating such an article if you can not verify its content. • вяαdcяochat 09:33, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know. It seems that fans are hell-bent on creating all the Gaga articles. Look at "Alejandro" for eg. It's getting increasingly difficult to maintain these articles. I might leave them altogether one-day. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:56, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I think you may be interested in joining the discussion HERE. Thank You.—Iknow23 (talk) 11:01, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Legolas the article was so long I guess I missed it. It DOES mention Poker Face here is what it says "Joe McElderry, who reached number one last week with The Climb, dips to number two, with his debut single selling a further 69,792 copies to take its 20-day tally to 716,358 – good enough for fifth place in the 2009 rankings, which are topped by the aforementioned Lady GaGa’s Poker Face, on sales of 882,059. A complete analysis of the 2009 rankings will appear in next week’s Music Week."

I pasted that from the page as I've read it again, sorry about that! Let me know if there's any other problems. Jayy008 (talk) 23:21, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You recently (and yet again) removed references to the Canadian Lady Gaga 'Hitmixes' CD EP (as you have previously with other European CD releases). You stated that Discogs is an 'unreliable source'. It most definately is NOT! It is used extensively on many other artist discographies throughout Wikipedia. It meets every catagory of 'reliable sources'. Discogs is simply a repository of worldwide physical record releases. It merely lists details and images. On this particular CD there are complete scanned photos of all the artwork! You seem to have the opinion that Lady Gaga is your own personal project. I am not knocking your knowledge of the subject (although the entries for each song are, in my opinion, far too long and obsessive - some of them are longer than most entire Wikipedia subject pages!) but you seem to only allow updates that you agree with or have made yourself. As a result the discography is hopelessly out of date and incorrect due in main to your continual inteference. Your unwillingness to let anyone else contribute is severely damaging this articles neutrality and above all, it's accuracy.

Davidkt 18:47, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello David. I understand your concern, however it is not my preference that I'm subjecting it to. Discogs is considered generally unreliable throughout the music section of Wikipedia, including GA reviewers, FACs etc. And I would ask you to assume good faith in reply to the allegations that you are making. There are thousands of admins who also keep an eye over these pages, and if you have a problem, please take it up with them with the way I edit. User:Ericorbit maybe can help you there. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:51, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply Legolas and my apologies for sounding a bit strong ;) I still fail to understand why Discogs is considered unreliable when it clearly shows the CD or release in question. After all, isn't the point of references being to verify the claim being made? Maybe that is something the wider Wiki admins should reconsider?

For the benefit of the Lady Gaga discography maybe you could help to expand it to include the (now rare) 'Hitmixes' EP and the German CDs. It does seem to overly favour the digital (download) releases as opposed to the physical - probobaly because of the afore-mentioned difficulty in reliably referencing them. Anyway, no hard feelings I hope and best wishes!

Davidkt 13:55, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello again David. For the Hitmixes EP, no reliable source could be found. Even Interscope and Gaga's official websites also donot show any info about them. An article was created on it, but was swiftly deleted. Hence I really donot know how to add HitMixes when reliable sources fail to justify it. And which German CDs are you talking about? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:08, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just saw this in my watchlist. The ep is available for purchase and people own it. Heck discogs has full scans of it [1]. Even if you don't believe in discogs as a reliable source, the existence of the album is all that is necessary. Just source the liner. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 03:14, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. I agree with you Stephen. I think that's a fine way of sourcing the EP. Thanks! :) --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:17, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again Legolas. Sorry for the delay in replying - been working nights! Anyway, the 'missing' CD singles not currently noted on the discography entries are:-

Poker Face - 4 track German CD 1. Poker Face (Album Version) - 3:57 2. Poker Face (Space Cowboy Remix) - 4:53 3. Just Dance (Robots to Mars Mix) - 4:37 4. Poker Face (Video) - 3:39

Lovegame - 2 track German CD 1. Lovegame (Album Version) - 3:32 2. Lovegame (Robots to Mars Remix) - 3:12

Lovegame - 7 track German 'The Remixes' CD Same track listing as the French iTunes remixes (bonus track version)

Paparazzi - 2 track German CD 1. Paparazzi (Radio Edit) - 3:28 2. Paparazzi (Chu Fu Ghetto House Radio) - 3:48

Paparazzi - 8 track German 'The Remixes' CD Same track listing as the French and German iTunes Remix EP

Bad Romance - 7 track US 'The Remixes' CD 1. Bad Romance (Chew Fu H1N1 Fix) - 7:13 2. Bad Romance (Kaskade Remix) - 4:20 3. Bad Romance (Bimbo Jones Remix) - 3:58 4. Bad Romance (Skrillex Remix) - 4:23 5. Bad Romance (Grum Remix) - 4:50 6. Bad Romance (Richard Vission Remix) - 5:22 7. Bad Romance (Hercules & Love Affair Remix) - 5:12

I own them all and can vouch for their existence :) All are listed again on Discogs, Amazon etc. Same unreliable sources issue again but all should be entered in the discography IMO. Hope this helps. Best wishes. Davidkt 18:07, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Umm. Actually these donot belong to the discography page at all. These are more suitable for the respective song pages. Try iTunes, I'm sure these remixes will be listed. Most of them are already listed in the articles when I checked. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it was the individual song pages that I meant. These physical releases are not currently listed under the 'track listing' entries. They certainly should be. I shall leave that up to you! Davidkt 21:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry again for the delay, but I've finally gotten up the rest of the review for Sticky & Sweet Tour. You can see my comments here; nothing major, and I'll pass the article once they're dealt with. Cheers, Mm40 (talk) 12:27, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi I'am also from India.......Where are u from in India??

abt. Vijender Beniwal being Jat,is this reference goog enough-- http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life/Vijender-doesnt-think-Mallika-hot/articleshow/4666918.cms ??

btw. im new to wiki,,,so if i want help sometime than would u help me??

Thanks Jat (talk) 04:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for adding reliable source. Always feel free to ask for any help that you need. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:50, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Does this track merit its own page as it has, at least for now?? Imperatore (talk) 07:19, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind. Music video casting source suggests it's the next single. I guess I'm out of tune with things lately lol. Imperatore (talk) 07:21, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have recently proposed some extensive changes to the layout of project pages in WikiProject Children's literature. The changes can be viewed in my sandbox, and are summarised on this talk page. The proposed changes include major reformatting of the main project page, the creation of five new project sub-pages, and moves to two existing sub-pages. Please look over these proposals, and join the discussion. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 10:37, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I was wondering how to upload google images and other images taken fron randon websites with proper measures , so that it does'nt get deleted??? Any tips ? Regards -- Last Emperor (talk) 13:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Try contacting the person that owns the copyright of the image. Ask him whether he wants to release it under CC-BY-SA-3.0 license. Then upload the image to Wikimedia commons with license as {{OTRS pending}}. Next, send the conversation of the release with the owner to permission-commons@wikimedia.org in the format available at WP:CONSENT. Then wait, untill a trusted user comes and updates the image from the mail that you sent. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am very good thanks, off on holiday this week and just about to visit family in Scotland in a few days. Hows things with you? :) JWAD ^talk 17:13, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Legolas, sorry about the late reply, I totally forgot about this. Anyway here is what I obtain from the article, there is a lot more information but it mostly describes the recording process of the Like a Virgin album and not about a specific track. I left some comments in bold to be more specific, I believe I already wrote in your talkpage what I found about the song in the book The Billboard Book of Number One Albums, well thats all I could find, I will let you know if I found something else, hope this can help. Regards.

• In mid-1984, Madonna met up with Nile Rodgers inside New York City's Power Station, the 48th Street facility that is now Avatar Studios. Place of the recording

• Jason Corsaro not only ensured that a Sony 3324 24-track digital tape recorder was obtained for the recording, but he also bought a Sony F1 two-track for the 12-bit mix. Corsaro was the engineer, apparently he persuaded Rodgers to 'go digital'.

• "I was sure the digital medium was going to be the future. Things were changing back then, and the Madonna record was a particularly good example of this. I got six or seven test pressings from different mastering houses and they all sounded very, very different. That's why digital was great. It always sounded the same". This is what Corsaro said about the digital thing

• The recordings adhered very closely to the cassette demos produced by Stephen Bray. This actually is already on the article, about how similar the song was to the original demo

• Once the rhythm tracks met with everybody's approval, Rob Sabino laid down his keyboard parts, playing mostly a Sequential Circuits Prophet 5, as well as some Rhodes piano and acoustic piano, while Nile Rodgers also played a Synclavier. I don't really know if this song is considered a rhythm track

• Madonna, meanwhile, although not required to contribute guide vocals for the Like A Virgin album, was present every minute of the sessions, observing and opining on all that was going on. "She is amazingly smart, very capable and very focused," says Corsaro.

• Since Studio C's main room was very bright and usually added a little too much high-end to a vocal, Corsaro preferred to track Madonna's lead parts in the small, wooden, high-ceilinged piano room at the back, placing gobos around her while using the top capsule of a stereo AKG C24 tube microphone, with a Schoeps mic preamp and Pultec EQ. There were 3 rooms in Power Station, a big live room for rock, a room for jazz and a room for R&B. The third one is Studio C

• The mix took place towards the end of the project, with Madonna present throughout, sitting next to Jason Corsaro behind the Studio C SSL. Corsaro: "Nile was there most of the time, but she was there all of the time. She never left".

Frcm1988 (talk) 04:17, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I will try, but my editing speed is way slower than yours, problably I will finish by tomorrow night at about this hour, well right know is almost midnight here, so probably its noon were you are. Frcm1988 (talk) 04:36, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes this info definitely goes to that section, perhaps with this it could be renamed to Recording and production. I know, the article is so big, I haven't realized initially about the amount of info that is available. Sadly is nearly the only song about the group that have such amount. Im going to need a lot of copy editing when I finish, I hope the user that was going to help me returns soon :(

I actually did look for the Billboard in Google Books, because they used to publish charts like the Euro Hot, but unfortunately I don't think they have made available all the magazines from mid-1996 to early-1997. Maybe they will keep updating the issues available in the near future. Iam talking about User:Escape Artist Swyer, I believe you review one of his nominations, he is a member of the Guild of Copyeditors(altought I believe that wikiproject is dead), we decided to make a complete featured topic about the whole Spice Girls' discography a while ago, with all the singles and albums., so we need at least half of the content to be featured. And now that you mention CarpetCrawler, I believe I found him in another wiki. hahaha Frcm1988 (talk) 05:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hahaha, the other day my friend and I were looking for some episodes from the anime Saint Seiya and he ended up in a wiki from the anime Detective Conan, and I started to look in the page because of the identical layout of Wikipedia, and found that there was some user with the same name [2], and well it turn out it is him, he wrote that he is former editor of the English Wikipedia. Frcm1988 (talk) 05:25, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hahaha, so you leave him a note? Congratulations on your GA, pretty soon you are going to get a 100!!! haha, the good thing is that other users are using the layout to develop the song articles, I am particulary impress with the Miley Cyrus articles, they are very high-quality IMO. I do have a copy of the book along with the one with the number one albums, I order them from Amazon a while back. It really have good info about most of the songs, unfortunetly some of the songs don't talk about the song at all and focus more on the artist's biography. Why are you asking, you need info about a particular song? Frcm1988 (talk) 05:46, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, Hey there! ;) Hope everything is going well over at Wikipedia. I haven't been here in a long while. Been busy with a billion other things, including college now busting me, and now I've got my chica! ;) Over the summer, I had a summer job which was interesting. How are you doing with articles on Madonna and Lady Gaga? I see you've done a ton more work! Also, how are you doing? Anything new since I've last talked to you? CarpetCrawler^{message me} 06:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]