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It seems extraordinary that this article has no Criticism section, given that this pope has received a not insignificant amount of criticism on various points. E.g. how about the new book The Case of the Pope by Geoffrey Robertson QC. 93.96.236.8 (talk) 09:57, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree71.76.199.245 (talk) 20:40, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Per policy, criticism sections are discouraged. Ideally, criticism should, as it is here, be worked into the article.Farsight001 (talk) 20:57, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(ec)Er, an article doesn't have to have a section called "criticism". In fact, such generic sections are generally frowned upon, the criticisms are woven throughout the article (see sections related to other religions, homosexuality, pedophilia, the Tridentine mass, stuff related to his being prefect, etc.)---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 21:07, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's almost as if the section on sexual abuse was written by the Vatican. There are copious opinion quotes, such as the one from Mary Ann Walsh, which is purely an opinion with no factual data presented. If that is there, where is the comment from other intellectuals who are more scathing?130.102.158.15 (talk) 13:12, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

{{edit semi-protected}} In the canonization section there is a group of 4 new saints who were canonized by Pope BXVI. One of them is Nuno Álvares Pereira aka Nuno de Santa Maria.

The canonization took part on April 26, 2009, Saint Peter's Square, Vatican City

the wikipedia link of this saint is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuno_%C3%81lvares_Pereira

 Not done: Wikipedia articles are not considered reliable sources. Please provide a reliable source for this information. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 01:05, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I guess the homily for the mass of canonization ([1]) should be reliable enough. I also added another one ([2]), as the link to a previous reliable source seems to be dead. Oh, and once again - thanks to the original poster for letting us know. --Martynas Patasius (talk) 17:19, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why dont we have any good quality images of him? Some images get all fuzzy when you see full size. Spongie555 (talk) 04:40, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't even read the entire article yet, and a phrase like this has occurred twice so far. I have two qualms about this. Firstly, could any Pope be honestly referred to as non-traditional or liberal? Is not the institution he leads inherently conservative and traditional? Secondly, Bendedict's predecessor was considered by many to be quite liberal and to have broken with Tradition in many ways. (These two "qualms" are not contradictory if one considers them thoughtfully. I think it illustrates the problem with using the phrase "like his predecessor" and the terms conservative, liberal, traditional etc. without much context.)24.21.36.196 (talk) 01:13, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you can have liberal Popes. It's on a spectrum, just like politicians. Using US government as an example. You can have Conservative Democrats (Joe Lieberman) or Liberal Republicans (John McCain)... while the two of them are Conservative/Liberal when compared to their base, they are not conservative/liberal when compared to the other party. On the spectrum of Catholic Cardinals, Benedict was very conservative.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 17:11, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As a general principle, I, for one, would like to see "Pope Benedict XVI" redirect to "Joseph Ratzinger", not the reverse.--81.174.2.233 (talk) 23:15, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:COMMONNAME The policy outlined at Wikipedia:Article titles is that "Articles are normally titled using the name which is most commonly used to refer to the subject of the article in English-language reliable sources. This includes usage in the sources used as references for the article."

Mtminchi08 (talk) 22:50, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When I was in Italy recently I noticed that a lot of Italians quite fondly refer to Pope Benedict XVI as "Papa Ratzi"... something that could be included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.153.99.187 (talk) 02:09, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't mind it however there may be some people here that find it to be irreverent. Then again this article isn't for the purpose of pope worship. 12.41.255.10 (talk) 14:24, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]