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There is no evidence to suggest the Lexmark buckling spring keyboards are of any lower quality than the original IBM designs...there is clearly a reduction in material quantity and therefore building cost, but there is no evidence I know of that the actual quality declined (for example if the melted plastic rivets that hold the keyboard together consisted of a more brittle plastic resulting in board "death" happening sooner, that would be a quality issue, but simply reducing the amount of plastic used to mold the case or metal used in the backplate is not an actual quality problem).

Would like to see someone with more "wikisperiance" make the appropriate edits to make that segment more neutral in tone. Note: I'm on a dynamic IP and so if I follow up to this will not have the same IP address. 75.119.254.100 (talk) 16:50, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hall effect keyboards use magnets and "Hall Effect" sensors instead of an actual switch. When a key is depressed, it moves a magnet, which is detected by a solid-state Hall-effect sensor. These keyboards are extremely reliable, and are able to accept millions of keystrokes before failing.

This sounds impressive until you realize that dome-switch and buckling spring keyboards are also guaranteed to accept "millions of keystrokes" (see, e.g. [1]). Unless there's a factor involved converting "keystrokes" to "key switch life", the "millions" are not precise enough to illustrate that Hall effect keyboards are more reliable. Does someone have more precise figures or an explanation? 82.92.119.11 12:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How about a section on the proper name for the feet/stand that you flip out to stand your keyboard at an angel? You'd probably also include the other standard non-electronic parts of a keyboard in that section.

What is the appropriate Wikipedia article to discuss the pattern of how the electronics are wired to the keys?

The rollover (key) article briefly mentions "a matrix of key switches", but the matrix disambiguation page doesn't seem to mention this kind of matrix. I've heard people say "multiplexed keyboard" but the multiplexer and multiplexing articles seem to focus on "devices" that "do" multiplexing. There is no such device in a multiplexed keyboard -- the only thing between the keyboard CPU and the switches are some resistors. (Higher quality keyboards also have anti-phantom-key diodes). But, of course, resistor isn't going to help me understand how a multiplexed keyboard works.

Does an article already exist that does for multiplexed keyboard input what the multiplexed display and Charlieplexing articles do for multiplexed LED output? --75.37.227.177 18:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See the Keyboard matrix (music) article for info on matrix circuits. The same principle is used with alphanumeric keyboardsOnBeyondZebrax (talk) 21:30, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What kind of switch technology did the old Sun type 4 keyboards use? ISTR they were nearly as nice as the buckling spring switches, while not being quite as loud. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.234.148.165 (talk) 07:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The links under Membrane Keyboard for IntelliKeys and Discoverboard are broken, and I have no idea where to find references for these. Just a heads up. IchiroMihara (talk) 01:02, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm using (or was, until I spilt wine on it) a keyboard which uses dome switches for the key action, but a membrane for the actual circuit. The keyboard is a Microsoft Natrual 4000. A similar combination was used in a previous keyboard I used made by BenQ. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.86.245.224 (talk) 15:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps someone knowledgeable could add some bits about illuminated keyboards. -- Ddxc (talk) 19:07, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mention common failure modes, "now the left and right shift keys send QQQ and ZZZ respectively", etc. and if there is a cure. Jidanni (talk) 00:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Might it be mentioned that the scissor-switch mechanism of laptop keyboards is, well, rather flimsy? Every laptop I've owned, the first damage suffered has been that a peg breaks off of the plastic scissor-switch under some key. I wouldn't think it appropriate, but then there is mention of the unpopularity of the old chicklet keyboards. Gregory Merchan (talk) 23:16, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Really? What brand of laptop are you using? I've been using this same Fujitsu Lifebook laptop for years coming now and there's been no trouble from it.Occasionality (talk) 11:47, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like this section has an overly critical tone compared to the rest of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.187.242 (talk) 19:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

The cheap and middle-priced keyboards which i have recently disassembled use technology not described in the article. They consist of standard membrane layout (contact foil, spacer foil with holes, another contact foil), above which there are separate latex dome elements or a single silicone bump layer covering the complete keyboard, similar to dome type keyboards. The major difference to dome switch type is that inner of the bumps or domes is not conductive. The purpose of the domes is to provide tactile feedback and travel, and to reliably activate the membrane type switches below.

I can see how this might be cheaper and simpler than pure dome type switches. So in fact this might be predominant technology for PC keyboards at the time, however i have no statistical data on it so i cannot be sure.

Another interesting keyboard type is based Reed switches. I had this in a self-built home computer in the beginning of 90ies. The keyboard is similar to Hall effect sensors in that it uses a magnet in the keycap, however the magnet in the keycap activates a Reed sensor, which is a small vacuum tube with spaced metal stripes. When a magnet comes near, it pulls the stripes together thus making a contact. The advantage of Reed sensor type is that one can reuse standard keyboard electronics used for mechanical switch based keyboards, the elements are durable, and are not affected by dirt or fluids, and the full travel is not required for activation. Also, the bounce is neglegible. Disadvantage is perhaps the increased price compared to mechanical switches.

I have heard rumors that Vivanco Whiteboard/Blackboard (probably also sold by other vendors under different names) uses Reed switches in conjunction with silicone dome layer for tactile feedback and scissor-type key supports, however i haven't owned one and had no chance of disassembling it. Also i don't have any data about what other keyboard types could be using Reed switch technology

--IlyaMinkov (talk) 15:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is a Japanese-layout laptop keyboard really the best we can do for the lead picture on this article on the English Wikipedia? How about disassembling a run-of-the-mill Dell 104-key or something? —BurnDownBabylon 08:22, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It could perhaps be improved by a picture that showed the same as well as the keycap structure and key feedback mechanism but I don't see any reason to change it based purely on layout for this article. (It is in fact keyboard is a US layout keyboard already) Dyson's Dragon (talk) 16:20, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Capacitive switches are not a rare find in generic keyboards these days, they are impossible to find. The only company currently producing capacitive switches for consumer keyboards is Topre, well known for their RealForce keyboard. These same switches are also used in the Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro. The most widely known capacitive keyboards are probably the vintage IBM Model F keyboards, which are the keyboards used with the XT and AT computers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.208.52.115 (talk) 09:58, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've edited the scissor switch sector and fixed some obvious errors but there were a couple of claims that I was dubious about but didn't want to delete entirely in case they only needed minor modification. Firstly:

"These stabilizing scissor-like devices extend the lifespan of the membrane to as much as 10 million keystrokes."

Given that dome-switch keyboards claim up to 20 million keystrokes (e.g. Cherry's Cymotion and G83 ranges) is this refering to membrane-only keyboards (it seems unlikely, and I thought they were hard wearing), does it need to be clarified or is it just plain wrong?

Secondly:

"Scissor-switch keyboards ... have a 'bouncier' feel to them"

I haven't used that many, but the ones I've tried have all been very light and while they may technically spring back faster they haven't felt very 'bouncy' due to the little force they exert. This sentence needs to clarify what type of switch they're bouncier than (presumably rubber dome from the context) and give references that a majority of users do feel that they're bouncier then that switch type.

I've also copied this section of the article across to the scissor switch page to replace the disastrous text that was there so could any corrections be checked against that page as well.

Dyson's Dragon (talk) 16:48, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Links under "Roll-up keyboard" are dead. 66.143.221.9 (talk) 04:12, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I marked this section once again as an advert. While it might be novel to do away with the conventional key matrix, this is still a keyboard which uses optical sensors. I would thus rewrite the section as "Optical keyboard" where the MOBBAL is just one arrangement. For an example of another keyboard incorporating optical sensors, please see the Datahand "keyboard". --84.196.169.103 (talk) 13:17, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As patented technology MOBBAL is the only keyboard technology of its kind - it is not a keyboard - many keyboards may use this technology, but the technology is one. There is no optical keyboard or it does not fall in the scope of this technology - and MOBBAL, once again is not a keyboard, it is a technology, so it does not fit under other technologies... right? I would ask to re-consider, thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.63.52.73 (talk) 15:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The "Optical keyboard technology" section states that the MOBBAL Keyboard Technology is the only optical technology developed to a mass production stage. The only citation for this statement is a link to a primary source; a website that hasn't been updated since 2009. {{advert}}? - Soulkeeper (talk) 00:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The 'Transparent keyboard' section also looks a bit too much like an advertisement. Who decided that it's "the most innovative type of keyboard"? --Lumpio- (talk) 12:14, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree, could this be copy pasted from an advert? Either way, I think it needs rewording. KS07 (talk) 14:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. what about adding the {{Newsrelease}} (Template:News release) or {{Advert|section}} Template:Advert tag? I'm a little reluctant since I'm also rather new to this. Skuckem (talk) 11:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)\[reply]

Not mentioned are mechanical keyboards derived from typewriters or Teletype machines. These were notable for their mechanical interlocking - pressing multiple keys at the same time was prevented mechanically. Teletype-derived keyboards had zero-key rollover (only one key at a time), while IBM Selectric derived keyboards (IBM 2741) had mechanical one-key rollover (a second key, but not a third, could be pressed before the first was released).

There is a picture of a cherry MX switch, but Cherry MX is not listed in the sentence that details the types of mechanical keyboards...so I edited it to include the switch, along with a link to the Cherry OEM page for it and it got removed because it was deemed 'inappropriate'. How on earth is that inappropriate? I swear the people around here undo edits for no reason at all. "Eh, no one edits a wikipedia page and is serious about it, BETTER UNDO ALL OF 'EM." mad/10