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::That's because there's no [[Wii family]] or [[Wii line]] article.--[[User:Arkhandar|<span style="color:teal">'''Arkhandar'''</span>]] <small>(<span style="color:green">[[User talk:Arkhandar|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arkhandar|Contribs]]</span>)</small> 17:29, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
::That's because there's no [[Wii family]] or [[Wii line]] article.--[[User:Arkhandar|<span style="color:teal">'''Arkhandar'''</span>]] <small>(<span style="color:green">[[User talk:Arkhandar|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arkhandar|Contribs]]</span>)</small> 17:29, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

:::Well then maybe it should be unlinked or removed until/if such an article is created.

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Reader feedback: Be more time-accurate!

97.104.219.149 posted this comment on November 6, 2013 (view all feedback).

Be more time-accurate!

Any thoughts?

Arkhandar (Talk • Contribs) 22:40, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Erm... Pertaining to what? KonveyorBelt 22:44, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. I thought I was missing something, but it's probably just the lack of context.--Arkhandar (Talk • Contribs) 00:42, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Missing some technical

the wii u does not use the tri core for the OS

it has a ARM chip at 900mhz that does the background task with a 64kb L1 cache

the tri core has three cores with 512 1024 and 512kb L2caches

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.224.73.120 (talk) 00:33, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not done:Can you source that information? I know this isn't the first time I heard about this, but we need sources to confirm and later reference this. Thank you.--Arkhandar (Talk • Contribs) 23:37, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hulu/Youtube/Hulu Plus in Wii Mode

I was trying to to trim down the Wii Mode section some, but this part was challenged. Is it really noteworthy that these 3 apps don't work in Wii Mode? I mean, aren't they functional in "Wii U mode"? If they're ultimately useable one way or another on the console, it doesn't strike me as that noteworthy to mention. (Not sure why someone would go to Wii Mode to do these things to begin with...) Sergecross73 msg me 23:15, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I only reverted because I thought that since it's e an added restriction then it should be notable. But yours seems a good point, and I won't oppose a deletion. Let's just wait to see what other editors think.--Arkhandar (Talk • Contribs) 23:35, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that the video services not being functional in Wii Mode really needs special mention, as they are available as Wii U applications, and they are most likely excluded from Wii Mode to avoid a Department of Redundancy Department issue. Now, if there was something that is on the Wii, but is completely unusable on the Wii U (I've heard LostWinds is in this basket), then it might be something worth mentioning. --Thunderbird8 (talk) 04:54, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, it would be a different story if they were originally promised to work in Wii Mode or did work and were pulled at a latter date but neither are the case.--174.93.163.194 (talk) 07:30, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese name

During the dispute that arose over the use of Japanese text at PlayStation 4, I realized that the Wii U (and the Wii and the Miis) also do not possess Japanese language names within Japan, and are simply referred to as the "Wii" and "Wii U" within Japanese text rather than the "ウィー" and "ウィー ユー". Therefore, it is completely unnecessary to include this text in the article as it is an invention on Wikipedia and it is not necessary to provide this information to readers when the IPA version is suitable. I have removed it from this page and the other pages but Arkhandar argued that there was no consensus here for removal when frankly no one really gives a shit about these things other than people who demand the status quo be kept when met with contrasting evidence.

So I would just like to point out this fact and note that this page should not feature the text "ウィー ユー" because in Japan this console is universally known as the "Wii U" and never "ウィー ユー".—Ryulong (琉竜) 04:12, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Using "the" before Wii U

According to many reliable sources cited in the article – USA Today, CNN, and Bloomberg Businessweek just to list a few – references are made to the Wii and Wii U with the definite article "the". If this is incorrect grammar, please provide a source that backs the claim. General rules about the use of definite articles in the English language won't suffice, as there are always exceptions. Proper names and proper nouns can be preceded by a definite or indefinite article, more commonly when they are the name of an object or device. Take the iPhone 5, for example. You're not going to say, "I'm buying iPhone 5". You would correctly say, "I'm buying an iPhone 5. However, for the company, and investor may correctly say, "I'm going to buy Apple", because Apple in this case is both a proper name and a proper noun. The iPhone 5 is a product of that company, and therefore is less specific than the company itself, warranting the use of an article of speech. In the proper noun Wiki article, it illustrates a similar comparison with "Chevrolet" and "Corvette".

I'm sure we have more important things to discuss, but seeing that this change is happening in other related articles, it may be time to reach a consensus before it goes any further. Thoughts? --GoneIn60 (talk) 00:42, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification: I support the use of "the" before Wii, Wii U, and other video game console names. At least one editor – @Arkhandar: – does not. --GoneIn60 (talk) 15:01, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to come here and say basically the same thing, assuming I remembered to. So thank you for saving me the trouble, now I can just agree! Anomie⚔ 02:19, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"The Wii U" comes across as more natural. I can't say if it's technically grammatically correct, but the Wii U is a physical, tangible object, like "Banana" or "Cat", so "The Wii U is..." feels natural to say, just like "A cat is... ". --ThomasO1989 (talk) 20:57, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the feedback so far. After combing through the article, I noticed there are a ton of grammatical errors. It doesn't seem like the omission of "the" should be a top priority at the moment. --GoneIn60 (talk) 23:28, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you wouldn't say "Game XYZ was released for the Xbox, Playstation, and The Wii U. The "the" should stay in the lead, but not capitalized or bolded, as it is not part of the title. KonveyorBelt 23:39, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Technically, you only need to use "the" once in that phrase ("Game XYZ was released for the Xbox, Playstation, and Wii U"), since it covers all of the objects that follow, but I agree with the point you're trying to make that it needs to be used at least once. Good example. --GoneIn60 (talk) 15:01, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I also agree with KonveyorBelt. I should point out that Nintendo's own use can be inconsistent, and that at Talk:Wii it is explained that Nintendo favoured not using 'the' for Wii. However, we're not here to do Nintendo's marketing, so whichever sounds the best should be used. So I agree, 'the' can and should be used sometimes. DarkToonLink 06:00, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

USA sales and NPD also Wii U world wide sales...

It seems that a lot of people are confused about Wii U sales and also Nintendo's goals when comes to sales, many people think that NPD reports presents entire market of USA which is incorrect since NPD covers 60 to 65% of US retailers and does not include major retailers like Toy R Us nor Sam's Club. Thus world wide sales of Wii U are most likely incorrect thus its likely it is 4.4 or 4.5 million by now. VG Chartz list it as 4.5 million units and which is most likely correct since they track reports from numerous firms that track hardware sales thus some other companies most likely track Sam's Club and/or Toy R Us. VG Chartz has a negative reputation by some people, reputation that it is not a credible source which it is since it tracks down all available information in hardware and software sales, reason why VG Chartz may not seem as credible source is most likely because for USA part of hardware sales it "contradicts" to NPD's report's which majority of people that are uninformed think it presents all hardware sales in market of USA. NPD does not cover all retailers in USA.

I am not trying to discredit NPD in case you think so that I am, just saying that NPD is not getting information from all retailers in US, they cover only 60 to 65% of them thus 35 to 40% of US retailers aren't covered by NPD's report.

I am confused about IGN and other mainstream media sites about Nintendo's goal of selling 9 million consoles by March/April of 2014 since it seems that media confused milestone versus goal. I think Nintendo wants to reach 9 million units sold not sell 9 million units since Q3 2013 to Q1/Q2 2014. -- Eyeofcore (talk) 17:59, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that VGChartz doesn't meet Wikipedia's definition of a reliable source. It's just some random guys that that don't disclose their methodology. NPD, while not perfect, is a legitimate business organization, and the best we've got until/unless Nintendo reveals heir official figures. Sergecross73 msg me 19:14, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nintendo releases their official figures quarterly; expect figures for sales through Dec 31 to be released at the end of January. I personally don't see a whole lot of point in chasing estimates for sales since Sept 30. Anomie⚔ 19:48, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It's all the buzz amongst the industry, journalists, and "fans". Without a stronger, policy-based reason for exclusion, I feel like we'd have quite the uphill battle against us... Sergecross73 msg me 21:18, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is not in VG Chartz, but you(Sergecross73) since you easily dismiss VG Chartz without providing evidence of valid reasons then you abuse the system of Wikipedia to invalidate VG Chartz as >reliable source<. Yet VG Chartz is a reliable source which you will deny it and you said that they don't disclose their methodology which is fallacy since they have disclosed it one way or another and you can find about it right here on wikipedia and its reference links. Just because some/you people have consensus does not mean its valid nor factually correct, but of course I am in minority thus factual information that I put will be removed. VG Chartz exists for almost 8 years yet it seems that you people can't comprehend the fact that in those 8 years these individuals or as you say "random guys" have experience and have over time improved their own formula and methodology. Sergecross73, you have proven by your response that you are ignorant and unwilling to do research nor support your own claims and using types of arguments that can be literally be described as pathetic excuses. NPD is not the best and they only track a portion of market only in US, they track 60 to 65% of retailers not 100%. VG Chartz tracks all available reports from these business organizations, compiles them then they do their own research to find out more like calling various shops. If you prefer incorrect information over a information that is likely very close and correct then you are doing more harm than good. -- Eyeofcore (talk) 22:21, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
VGChartz is not considered a reliable source by Wikipedia. If you want that re-considered, then open a new discussion at WP:VG/RS. Do not attack people and call them "ignorant" when they are acting in accordance to current consensus and policy. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 22:03, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As Thomas says, there is a consensus far larger than me that deems VG Chartz unreliable. It's ridiculous to lay the blame on me - "don't kill the messenger", etc. Sergecross73 msg me 01:24, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Eyeofcore: Read this article (which supports VGChartz), and then read this one (which covers its data in depth showing many discrepancies). Afterwards, if you still believe VGChartz is more credible than NPD, or that their worldwide estimates are reliable, I'd be interested to hear why you still think so. --GoneIn60 (talk) 20:51, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It has nothing to do with credibility of NPD and I was explaining how NPD does not cover entire market of USA while VG Chartz's compiles reports from various analyst/business firms(which includes NPD) and does its own research and calculations. VG Chartz gives a good estimate of regional and global sales which is based around reports from various analyst/business firms/organizations while also here and there asking questions to retailers, they also do estimates in case they can't get hands on reports from retailers. I am amused that you are using obsolete information to back up your points, both of them are from 2008 which is seriously outdated and which questions your own credibility for using obsolete information that is not valid for several years. 5 years have passed since your "verdict", so you and others are judging VG Chartz based on old obsolete outdated no more relevant information in which you don't consider the amount of time that has passed since the release of those articles nor enter a factor that VG Chartz's improved their methodology over time thus argument that VG Chartz is "not reliable source" is flushed down the toilet since the argument of the verdict that VG Chartz "is unreliable source" is non valid anymore. I suggest that VG Chartz either gets status of >reliable source< or at least being removed from list of >unreliable sources< since the argument and evidence used are outdated thus invalid or you will use an excuse and abuse the system... -- Eyeofcore (talk) 23:28, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said, open a new discussion at WP:VG/RS if you want VGChartz to be re-considered as a reliable source; it's not up to the few of us. You're not going to get any traction here. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 22:33, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@Eyeofcore: With all due respect, I'm trying to approach this objectively. I am using the only analysis I could find. If there is a more recent analysis that shows how VGChartz has improved, I would be more than willing to consider it. I don't have an opinion at this time either way. We can't ignore the fact, however, that VGChartz has had issues in the past. The second link I posted shows concrete evidence of this, and even emphasizes that VGChartz admits to "fine-tuning" its data if NPD releases data that is wildly different. The link also explains why the European market is extremely hard to estimate, and that any estimate for this region is not likely based on reliable data.
Also as ThomasO1989 points out, a decision would need to be made at WP:VG/RS (or even the WP:RSN), though having a discussion here might help you determine if you want to take it to the next level. --GoneIn60 (talk) 22:40, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Or even the talk page of WP:VG for maximum exposure/discussion. There's a tough road ahead though, one can argue all day how one could personally approve of it, but it'd be much harder to argue how it'd meet Wikipedias definition of a reliable source. Sergecross73 msg me 23:22, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reader feedback: Will Wii play Wii u games  ???

68.68.66.185 posted this comment on 6 December 2013 (view all feedback).

Will Wii play Wii u games  ???

Any thoughts?

No, never, new console. Wii U will play your Wii games but the Wii is not forward compatible. --FourthLineGoon (talk) 01:14, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That is both not possible technically, and also not even a logical choice, as the Wii is no longer popular anyways... Sergecross73 msg me 01:20, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Reader feedback: Outdated information

OK, I'm REALLY getting sick and tired of seeing "as of 30 September 2013" when I read the section detailing Wii U sales. That was over three freakin' months ago, going on four! I swear, this article isn't updated often enough. --STH235SilverLover (talk) 00:35, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nintendo only announces official sales at certain points, usually quarterly. That's the last time they've updated it. There aren't any newer figures publicly known. Don't get mad at us/the article. Be mad at Nintendo. Though, even that's pretty typical, so it's not they're doing anything abnormal. If it helps, I believe they're due to announce new sales figures around the end of he month. Sergecross73 msg me 00:43, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reader feedback: The Wii U is not part of the...

173.52.211.199 posted this comment on December 21, 2013 (view all feedback).

The Wii U is not part of the Wii product family it is a completely NEW Video game system

Any thoughts?

This is kind of a tough one. It's probably fair to say that the PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, and even the PSP and PS Vita, are all part of the PlayStation product family. Same with the Xbox, Xbox 360, and Xbox One. The difference with Nintendo is that their naming schemes aren't quite as consistent. We have the NES, the SNES, the N64, the GameCube, the Wii, and the Wii U. Obviously they are all part of the Nintendo product family (along with the various Game Boys and DSs). But the Wii and Wii U really are quite similar, and seem to have a lot closer of a relationship with each other than previous Nintendo systems have had. So it's probably fair to say that they comprise their own product family. It's also a bit telling that Nintendo, which had basically used a completely new name for each console since the SNES, chose to just take on a "U" to the Wii name for the new console. AKKIfokkusuTaLk 00:02, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what the problem is here, feedback person. The article makes it pretty clear in a number of areas that it's separate, as the successor to the Wii, but at the same time has similarities. (Use of Wiimotes, motion control, etc.) I don't see any problem unless something more specific is mentioned as an issue. Sergecross73 msg me 01:40, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think the problem is the field called Product family in the info-box, which claims that Wii U is a part of the Wii product family. This same field also exists in Microsoft and Sony console articles, but unlike those articles' fields which lead to the general Xbox and Playstation articles, Wii U's link just leads back to the the Wii's article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.145.121.151 (talk) 15:40, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's because there's no Wii family or Wii line article.--Arkhandar (Talk • Contribs) 17:29, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well then maybe it should be unlinked or removed until/if such an article is created.
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