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A fact from Captain America: The Winter Soldier appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 January 2013 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that Captain America: The Winter Soldier, the upcoming sequel to the 2011 film Captain America: The First Avenger, will feature the Falcon, the first African American superhero? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2013/January. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Captain America: The Winter Soldier.

The filming section says principal photography ended on June 27, but on July 2nd Chris was seen shooting some scenes in L.A. Link here: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=82575

It appears as though that he has not in fact formed a "team", but rather, he's part of the World Security Council along with Chin Han, Bernard White, Alan Dale, and Jenny Agutteras (who was a WSC member in The Avengers) as well as being a senior leader of SHIELD. What gives the source that was provided the merits of being correct? 03:16, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Here's a source that says Redford is a WSC member. I don't believe he's formed a "team" by any means, but is only a member of the WSC along with those listed above, can we change the source/correct the mistake? Source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2013/08/18/samuel-l-jackson-sunday-conversation/2665355/68.45.110.5 (talk) 03:16, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So nothing on this, officially? Okay.

 Not done Per WP:SYNTH, you are making inferences from two separate sources, that say two separate things, and formulating that into what you think is correct, versus what we have through sources. As it stands now is correct. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 05:54, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Favre1fan93, the source does not state that character is only a member of the security council and nothing else. The two do not have to be mutually exclusive either, both sources can be correct in their descriptions. We will know for sure when the movie is released.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:13, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How is that those actors are part of his "team", I'm not ruling out him being a part of the WSC and a Leader in SHIELD, but the notion that Jenny Agutteras is part of his "team", among the others listed. That's my main concern, that they're listed/stated as being part of a "team" and not World Security Council members. 71.188.16.34 (talk) 23:29, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well we have no control on how the sources state their info. We only add what is reliable as it is given to us. So that's why it is the way it is, and why it can't be changed. Until another reputable source comes out saying other wise (or at this point, once the film is released) then it can be changed. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:24, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've been trying to make a source that March 26 was the United Kinddom release date, but everytime I post it, [1], it's messed up

Larry1996 (talk) 02:13, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. Per WP:FILMRELEASE, we only use the first release date and the release date in the country of origin. There is no indication that the UK release is the first.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:19, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

SPOILER ALERT FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T WATCHED IT In the plot summary it says that Alexander Pierce revealed his true motives. I watched the movie, that's not true, it was Captain America that revealed who was HYDRA agents, and then that's when everything went crazy with agents all killing each other. That's when Pierce was revealed as HYDRA. 24.242.44.78 (talk) 19:51, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Couple sources for this one...

Source 1,Source 2, Source 3, Source 4, Source 5 71.188.16.34 (talk) 07:28, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

IP 71.XXX. You've been around MCU pages a lot. Please note that you have the ability to add this content if the page is not semi-protected (this one currently isn't). Talk pages are not really meant for what you do (unless the page is semi-protected). Please be bold and add the content yourself, instead of waiting for others to do so for you. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 07:50, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As well, source 2, 4 and 5 are not reliable. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 07:54, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I realize that, but it appears that every time I do add something to anything on Wikipedia, it gets taken down instantly. I also cite my sources, and they still get taken down. It makes no sense, but it happens to me. I'll use Source 1 and 3 for this reference. 71.188.16.34 (talk) 19:49, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know, I have not come across any edits by you on pages that would need to get taken down. I'm sorry that it does happen to you, but there is nothing wrong in still trying and wanting to improve. It's clear to me that you know what flies and what doesn't on these pages, based on the stuff you add to the talk pages for others to add. This is obviously a case where you could have added the info. If you are unclear about citing sources, you could look here to see what are generally acceptable (and see that 2, 4 and 5 would not work), and if you look at the code of the page, you can see how to properly add those citations. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:56, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone else think the Marketing section is too big? I believe that it's being given undue weight, especially when comparing the Marketing sections of the other MCU films and should be trimmed down. Richiekim (talk) 19:58, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Its short compared to the Avengers. Also its early, and much of the other sections are still incomplete. As those sections begin filling out, the marketing section will look much more balanced.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 20:03, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I at least think the section on the comic book should be trimmed for a start. The editor's quote sounds too promotional and sounds like as advertisement, and describing the plot of the comic is unnecessary for the scope of this article. I also think the LA Times review of the Super Bowl ad should be excised as well, as there was no such commentary in the Iron Man 3 article. Richiekim (talk) 20:14, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Other MCU pages have a subsection for the tie-in comic, so that info could move there. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:18, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You might be right about Editor's comments about the comic, however the one sentence plot isn't unnecessary and would be a glaring omission. Also the Super Bowl information in the IM3 article should be removed not the review in this one, as customary marketing methods without analysis like television commercials is frowned upon per WP:FILMMARKETING.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 20:21, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think the editor's comment can go, but I don't really see how to trim anything else, without out-right deleting all the info on something. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:27, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Since we all seem to agree about the editor's comments, I went ahead and removed them. I also removed the information about the charity auction as while it might just have been a marketing ploy, we cannot assume so and just take it is presented: a gesture of good will.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 16:09, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I just moved the auction info to the release section with the rest of the premiere info.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 16:32, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

On this page, they have some great production info, especially regarding the costumes for Cap and Falcon. I believe that some of this is good to add to the page but don't really know where it would go in the production section. Filming? Post? By the characters in the Cast section? What are other's thoughts? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:21, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If its something related to a specific actor or character, I would say the cast section is fine. But more general information about costume design could be placed in Pre, since that is the phase where this usually occurs.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 22:36, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Are these notable to include in the release section? MOS:FILM#Release doesn't necessarily say anything against it. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:52, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah there is nothing against but these aren't premieres, film festivals, or anything just early screenings. It might going into WP:INDISCRIMINATE territory.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:32, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I realized after I posted, I forgot to add that they were all chosen based on fan input from the app they released. Maybe marketing? (I'm also trying to go to said early screening in NY.) - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:36, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The app stuff might be relevant to marketing section. Good luck getting in the screening!--TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:40, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'll let you know if I do. And I'll write something up for the marketing section. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:46, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the source. Don't know if it's worth noting or not. 71.188.30.224 (talk) 22:15, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Will add it in all the appropriate places. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:17, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's already stated.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 22:18, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to make a note that they confirmed that Christopher Makus and Stephen McFeely will be writing the sequel. 71.188.30.224 (talk) 22:23, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I cleaned it up, and consolidated the info, to remove the "reported by" statement, as we have been removing. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:31, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here is an article from Entertainment Weekly confirming some info about the post-credits scene. I believe this is enough to add the info to the article, yes? And I suppose it's also time for those looking to avoid spoilers to unwatch the page. -Fandraltastic (talk) 15:14, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A few days without reply, I'm going to go ahead and add it. -Fandraltastic (talk) 12:46, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And as I've learned, one of the people in the mid-credits scene does address the bald man as "von Strucker." I'll listen for it again at the March 31 screening (yes, the movie is so good I want to see it again!), but I trust younger ears than mine! --Tenebrae (talk) 16:04, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is he not in the movie? I know some of you have seen it. Someone removed him from the cast section, and I wanted to make sure before readding. -Fandraltastic (talk) 18:23, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

i norway where i live the subtitle of captain america 2 is return of the first avenger and it seems to be a general subtitle in europe. just check these search results. [2] 84.208.108.59 (talk) 13:27, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

i wanted to read about the plot but due to the section missing i couldnt.84.208.108.59 (talk) 13:47, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

When someone "reworded sections to make it sound better" they cut out the part about Senator Stern being arrested for his involvement with Hydra, if that does happen in the film shouldn't it be put back up there? 24.65.100.96 (talk) 04:17, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed Mark Hughes, the purported Forbes film critic, since he's merely one of 1,200 unpaid, amateur bloggers who post in the magazine's user-generated section. Other Forbes user-generated reviews include this CA:TWS review by a different writer. The "Critical reception" section is only for professional film critics, and additionally, we can't cite user-generated content unless such self-published material is that of a published, recognized authority in a field.

Disappointing. And now I hear Entertainment Weekly is going to exploit would-be writers with an unpaid user-generated section. You know, you can't pay the rent with "exposure." --Tenebrae (talk) 03:00, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Surely seeing as that the film has been widely released the infobox release date should be brought forward to its earliest public general release as well as the country of origin? -- MisterShiney ✉ 21:03, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the quote...

Joss Whedon, the director of The Avengers and Avengers: Age of Ultron, directed the mid-credits scene,[90] featuring the first appearance of Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch.[42]

Here's what it should say...

Joss Whedon, the director of The Avengers and Avengers: Age of Ultron, directed the mid-credits scene,[90] featuring the first appearance of Baron Von Strucker, Quicksilver, and the Scarlet Witch.[42]

71.188.16.90 (talk) 21:36, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can't figure out from the article if the movie was shot in 3D or if 3D was added in post production.180.183.186.25 (talk) 05:28, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My only source on this is the movie, but Falcon is specifically referred to as a Parajumper, not a paratrooper. (He's part of the Air Force, not an Army airborne unit. Sorry if that's too pedantic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Land Asunder (talk • contribs) 22:21, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just saw the movie a second time. You're right: Parajumper is the term used. Also, the movie never gives Sharon's last name — she's referred to as "Agent 13" and as "Sharon." I know Feige called her "Sharon Carter" at a press event once, but in terms of what the movie says, "Carter" is not given. Also, Bucky wears a cap in the end-credits scene; he isn't hooded. --Tenebrae (talk) 03:23, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also, in the end credits, VanCamp is credited as "Kate/Agent 13". Richiekim (talk) 15:38, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You're absolutely correct, Richiekim. She's "Sharon" in dialog, though, so I don't know what that's about. Maybe "Kate" is her cover name as the neighbor? --Tenebrae (talk) 20:38, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. "Kate" is Sharon's name while undercover. Richiekim (talk) 11:54, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also: I've seen the film twice now, and I was specifically listening the second time I saw the mid-credits scene to see if anyone said the name "Strucker." Neither I nor my guest heard the name. Did anyone here definitively hear "Strucker" or not? --Tenebrae (talk) 23:26, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, one of the scientists called him "Herr Strucker".--Max Tomos (talk) 10:24, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know why it took so long to get these, but to help us confirm what it says onscreen, here are the contractual credits

• Steve Rogers / Captain America . CHRIS EVANS
• Nick Fury . SAMUEL L. JACKSON
• Natasha Romanoff / Black Widow. SCARLETT JOHANSSON
• Alexander Pierce. ROBERT REDFORD
• Bucky Barnes / Winter Soldier. SEBASTIAN STAN
• Sam Wilson / Falcon. ANTHONY MACKIE
• Maria Hill. COBIE SMULDERS
• Brock Rumlow. FRANK GRILLO
• Jasper Sitwell. MAXIMILIANO HERNANDEZ
• Kate / Agent 13. EMILY VANCAMP
• Peggy Carter. HAYLEY ATWELL
• Dr. Arnim Zola . TOBY JONES
• Smithsonian Guard . STAN LEE
• Jack Rollins. CALLAN MULVEY
• Councilwoman Hawley. JENNY AGUTTER (Note: I like the name shout-out to Pamela Hawley from Sgt. Fury!)
• Councilman Singh . BERNARD WHITE
• Councilman Rockwell. ALAN DALE
• Councilman Yen. CHIN HAN
• Senator Stern. GARRY SHANDLING
• Georges Batroc . GEORGES ST-PIERRE
• French Pirate #1. SALVATOR XUEREB
• French Pirate #2. BRIAN DUFFY
• Engine Pirate . ZACK DUHAME
• French Radio Pirate . ADETOKUMBOH M’CORMACK
• Skinny Steve. CHRISTOPHER GEORGE SARRIS
• Launch Tech #1. AARON HIMELSTEIN
• Launch Tech #2. ALLAN CHANES
• Dr. Fine. GOZIE AGBO
• SHIELD Interrogator #1. CHRISTOPHER MARKUS
• SHIELD Interrogator #2. STEPHEN MCFEELY
• Scientist #1. PAT HEALY
• Scientist #2. ED BRUBAKER
• Apple Employee. D C PIERSON
• Com Tech #1. DANNY PUDI
• Com Tech #2. BERNIE ZILINSKAS
• Renata. BRANKA KATIC
• Garcia . ANGELA RUSSO-OTSTOT
• Charlie XO. JON SKLAROFF
• Charlie Weapons Tech. CHAD TODHUNTER
• SHIELD Tech. ABIGAIL MARLOWE
• Lead SHIELD Pilot. JEREMY MAXWELL
• Senior SHIELD Agent. EMERSON BROOKS
• SHIELD Agent. EVAN PARKE
• Strike SGT. #1. RICARDO CHACON
• Strike SGT. #2. GRIFFIN M. ALLEN
• Strike Agents . ANN RUSSO, JOE ROSALINA, MICHAEL DEBELJAK, EDDIE J. FERNANDEZ (Note: "Strike" is lowercase here, but uppercase on the team's uniforms — I believe with periods)
• 25th Floor Strike Agent. JODY HART
• Scudder. STEVEN CULP
• Human Resources Executive. DEREK HUGHES
• Doctor. WENDY HOOPES
• Lead EMT. ETHAN RAINS
• CIA Instructor. DOMINIC RAINS
• Capitol Hill Police. CHARLES WITTMAN, ANDY MARTINEZ JR.
• FBI Agents. MICHAEL DE GEUS, TERENCE O’ROURKE
• Committee Member . ANNE GRIMENSTEIN
• Little Boy In The Smithsonian. DANTE ROSALINA
• Fury Car Voice. ROBERT CLOTWORTHY
• SHIELD Computer. JUNE CHRISTOPHER
• The Smithsonian Narrator. GARY SINISE

--Tenebrae (talk) 20:44, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also:

• MARVEL STUDIOS presents [movie logo]
• Directed by. ANTHONY and JOE RUSSO
• Screenplay by. CHRISTOPHER MARKUS & STEPHEN MCFEELY
• Produced by. KEVIN FEIGE, p.g.a.
• Executive Producer. LOUIS D’ESPOSITO, ALAN FINE, VICTORIA ALONSO, MICHAEL GRILLO, STAN LEE
• Co-Producer. NATE MOORE
• Director of Photography . TRENT OPALOCH
• Production Designer. PETER WENHAM
• Editors. JEFFREY FORD, A.C.E.; MATTHEW SCHMIDT
• Costume Designer. JUDIANNA MAKOVSKY
• Visual Effects and Animation by . INDUSTRIAL LIGHT & MAGIC
• Visual Effects Supervisor . DAN DELEEUW
• Music Supervisor. DAVE JORDAN
• Music by. HENRY JACKMAN
• Casting by. SARAH HALLEY FINN, C.S.A.

--Tenebrae (talk) 20:46, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It may be worth mentioning that the film was released as Captain America: Return of the First Avenger in a number of European countries.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1843866/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_dt_dt#akas