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Absolutely no significant reliable coverage for this webseries on Twitch. It doesn't help that its name makes it difficult to look for hits. I thrice tagged this for speedy deletion but various users kept removing the tag, so AfD it is. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 14:03, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The speedy deletion tag has been removed repeatedly because your claim of the lack of significance is unfounded. The article lists several prolific voice actors as cast of the show. It has hundreds of thousands of viewers and has collected tens of thousands USD in charity donation, each of which alone should be enough to qualify as a reason for WP:Significance. 5.147.15.44 (talk) 14:57, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Being a popular web series or being involved in charity are not strong claims to notability. Please read WP:GNG and WP:POPULARITY for more information. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 15:24, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is not required under WP:Significance, which was your initial reason for speedy deletion. I quote: "Significance is a much lower standard than notability." 5.147.15.44 (talk) 15:40, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The removal of the speedy deletion tag by one of the editors on this page was inappropriate. That said, I see no reason for this article to be deleted. It is no less significant or notable than articles on other major Twitch streamers like Trump_(Hearthstone_streamer), who has a much more difficult name to search for. Deleting the article because of the common name despite being well-sourced is an error, in my opinion.--Marstead (talk) 18:12, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the the notation. Several of the new editors are more aware of the rules governing the speedy deletion tag, and are making strides to be sure that the article is conforming to standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.194.16.204 (talk) 19:23, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

True, it probably was inappropriate, especially doing so without any explanation. But as someone not familiar with the daily workings of Wikipedia, I have to ask: is it a common practise to flag new articles for speedy deletion, minutes after they have been created, before anyone even had a chance to work them over? 176.198.254.196 (talk) 19:43, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - The commonality of the name makes it difficult to research, but I can find no sources which cover the show in-depth which are from reliable independent sources. WP:Significance is a standard used in speedy deletions; AfD requires the higher standard of notability, which this article, which is currently sourced only by non-reliable, and non-independent sources, does not come close to meeting. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:35, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The article does reference such a source: A 1 hour and 20 minutes long podcast with Critical Role as it's main topic (in-depth) made by Wizards of the Coast, a major games developer (reliable) that is not directly affiliated to Geek&Sundry or Critical Role (independent).^[1] 5.147.15.44 (talk) 16:51, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The article has been steadily gaining specific independent medial coverage citations that speak to notability and significance and that are not directly affiliated to Geek&Sundry or Critical Role (independent).Example ^[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by KennefRiggles (talk • contribs) 18:05, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - While I disagree with one editor's repeated removal of the speedy deletion tag from this article, it has received edits from other users and appears to be a significant and well-sourced article. Any vote to delete this article should explain why Trump_(Hearthstone_streamer) and Kripparrian should not also be deleted by the same argument. Trump & Kripparrian are comparably popular Twitch streamers but their wiki articles are more poorly-sourced. This article should not be deleted because of its "common name". Please see other sources posted here by other editors for reference.--Marstead (talk) 18:12, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I could see an argument to rename the article Critical Role (web series) if this helps with the name commonality concern.--Marstead (talk) 18:17, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - I see enough sites on the article covering and mentioning the show to satisfy Wikipedia's criteria Darquis (talk) 00:30, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@ Independant sources citing Critical Role - Previous users stated coverage for the series was hard to find.

^[3] Sandiego.com's announcement of G&S and Critical Roles appearance at San Diego Comic Con

^[4] IMDB entry for Critical Role

KennefRiggles (talk) 18:18, 24 October 2015 (UTC) KennefRiggles[reply]

^[5] Tvtropes entry for Critical Role. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.194.119.181 (talk) 19:23, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

^[6] "Vin Diesel nerding out over Dungeons and Dragons is an amazing slice of internet" The Independent — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.194.119.181 (talk) 01:05, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

^[7] Diesel Powered D&D: Watch Vin Play Dungeons and Dragons as His 'Last Witch Hunter' Hero — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.194.119.181 (talk) 01:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Seems all but one of the above are just brief mentioned and are more about D&D and the streamers rather than the show itself. If the streamer had his own Wikipedia article I would not be opposed to a merge. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 14:38, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]