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User:162.83.158.202 has reverted the redirect back to an article, with the edit saying that Knock-out Whist is not the same as this game. However, searching "trump card game" yields no good results and [1] says Trumps the card game is Knock-out Whist. Can you provide a source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ColourBurst (talk • contribs) 23:52, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trump is different from Trumps (note the s). I'm working on finding external sources for Trump but in the meantime, I'd like to continue building the wikipedia page for it with the rules I know. You're welcome to create a 'Trumps' page and have that redirect to Knock-out Whist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattiyeh (talk • contribs) 02:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can confirm that there is a middle-eastern game called pronounced 'tarneeb' in english, which directed me here. I hope the above-mentioned completes the article! --Xtcrider 03:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article is very possibly the ugliest, most confused pile of dung I have every encountered (though not the biggest—that would go to the article "2000s"). I frankly doubt that there are any authentic references to this game. My suspicion is that, when they were a child, someone was taught bridge or another game that involves trump cards, and that they put together this article from their foggy and inaccurate memories. I'm going to delete this or scour it nearly clean if no one fixes it in the next week or so. Unschool 02:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The German, Danish, Norwegian, Esperanto and Swedish articles on trump cards all link here, and since no such article on trumps actually existed, I put one here. While there may be game sometimes called trump (but usually other names) we shouldn't confuse people over a mega obscurity. 2005 02:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

we shouldn't confuse people over a mega obscurity

• Huh? Unschool 04:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For those of us who don't play card games, but are interested in the phenomenon, would be great. I finally wanted to look this up, because of a Twain quote:

Tell the truth or trump - but get the trick.
-- Mark Twain, _Pudd'n'head Wilson_ (1894)

And I've seen references to it in the Amber series... So I'd like more details on what it's suppossed to mean, so that I can get where the authors are taking off from.
~ender 2007-04-15 09:50:PM MST —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.167.217.162 (talk) 16:48, 15 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

It's impressive how good a job this article currently does at NOT explaining what a trump is. 130.89.228.82 (talk) 13:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Many trick-taking games contain a trump suit. Cards in the trump suit outrank all others. If trump is played to a trick led in another suit, the highest card of the trump suit (rather than the highest card in the led suit) wins.

Trump may be static or dynamic. Static trump is featured in Spades, where the spade suit is always trump, as well as many tarock games where a separate trump suit (in addition to the other four) is featured. When trump is dynamic, as in Contract Bridge, it is usually declared by the winner of the auction, the right to choose trump being an incentive for players to bid; or in some games, such as Oh Hell and the original form of Whist, it is determined randomly by exposing a card (in this case it's as if the trump was static, but it adds some psychological variety to the game and makes it more difficult to cheat while dealing the cards if the trump suit is only chosen in the end of the deal).

In some games, certain special cards are high trumps regardless of the actual trump suit. For example, in skat, jacks are the highest four trumps.

Some games have more than one trump suit, such as Stortok, in which there are two trumps, with one superseding the other.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.167.217.162 (talk) 16:55, 15 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I like how at the bottom of this article it links to race card. --208.114.177.246 (talk) 01:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The line that reads "She's not really running for president, she's pulling a Trump. She's pretending to consider it for fame, money, and her reality show." is completely unrelated to the word "trump", it seems more like a joke on Donald Trump. I would remove it, but can't. 89.154.91.60 (talk) 16:18, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Got it 66.41.128.154 (talk) 04:49, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Change the leading hatnote to "This article is about the card trick. For the businessman and 2016 U.S. presidential candidate, see Donald Trump. For other uses, see Trump (disambiguation).".

122.61.62.10 (talk) 07:04, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why? StAnselm (talk) 08:10, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done st170e^talk 21:27, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bumping the earlier question:

Why?

The previous hatnote was perfectly functional. This adds additional and incorrect verbiage, since a "trump" is not a card trick.--NapoliRoma (talk) 21:42, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Move page to Trump (card games); make Trump a redirect to Donald Trump. Trump is now going to be the 45th President of America. Yoshiman6464 (talk) 07:47, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

oppose, we didn't redirect Bush, did we? The common noun still counts as primary. Arguably (as in Bush) make Trump the disambiguation page. --dab (𒁳) 08:28, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The request to rename this article to Trump (card games) has been carried out. If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag.

Trump → Trump (card games) – Donald Trump is now President-elect of the United States, convert Trump to a redirect per above. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 08:29, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose (as above), less "triumphalism" please. We did not redirect Bush. --dab (𒁳) 09:01, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose do we seriously want to put a hat-note on the new president's article saying for|the game|Trump (card games)? As Dbachmann above notes, we do not redirect Bush and Carter is a dab page. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:30, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

However, yes, agree with alternative proposal per three below in moving Trump (disambiguation) to Trump, it should have been there anyway. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:32, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. "Bush" is a flawed example as two POTUSes were named Bush, and many other significant topics are named "Carter", unlike Trump. SSTflyer 10:06, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Trump" is going to be the "primary" topic in terms of sheer number of page requests for, variously, Donald Trump, his administration, his presidency (etc.), over the next years. I grant you as much, but I am not convinced this is enough for "WP:PRIMARYTOPIC". But I would be amenable to supporting a motion to make Trump the disambiguation page (as with Bush) as a compromise. --dab (𒁳) 10:21, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Support DAB. Opposers above refer to "trump" having more long-term significance, and several cite that he hasn't won the presidency. Well, now Trump himself has long-term significance. Make the primary topic the DAB page. Nohomersryan (talk) 12:59, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Support alternative proposal: Trump should be the disambiguation page. Like someone said above, no-one suggested that Bush should redirect to any of the presidents. MrStoofer (talk) 13:33, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support the alternative: while indeed Donald Trump will be the dominant topic for at least a century, this article should refer to a collection of many items by that name, the US president being only one of them. Arguments Cúchullain mentioned seem to support this alternative above either the game topic or the president. KiloByte (talk) 17:11, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - the great majority of readers searching for "Trump" can be assumed to want to read about the president. -- Кукамонга (talk) 14:49, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. By no measure is this the primary topic compared to the President-elect, various Trump Organization topics, and even the Major Arcana or trumps.--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:22, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think you will find hat our definition of "primary topic" was phrased carefully, and includes the aspect of "A topic is primary for a term, with respect to long-term significance, if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term." In this sense, there can be no doubt as to the "primacy" of the common noun trump, in common usage since the 1520s. I admit that this is only one of two aspects to be taken into consideration, but your phrasing of "by no measure" seems to ignore it completely. --dab (𒁳) 16:26, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong oppose change of primary topic to Donald Trump, but don't mind a dab page. Per others above. Almost no presidents whose surnames are common terms or names have a redirect - Bush, Hoover, Carter, Grant etc. Most are dab pages. And the card game term is a very clear contender for long term significance - more so than Trump himself, who may be heading towards obscurity in 50-100 years.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:34, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose move as requested; however, support MrStoofer proposal above.—Laoris (talk) 17:12, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Support alternative proposal - Per MrStoofer and KiloByte, especially after thinking about this move. Yoshiman6464 (talk) 17:15, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - support dab at basename. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC enduring encyclopaedic value (although concede there's probably no stopping this becoming the PT). Widefox; talk 17:53, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong oppose - It's not correct to say that the primary use of the word "trump" refers to Donald Trump. Yes, he won the election, so for the next ~4 years he will be referenced by the media and in political conversations as "Trump", but the word "trump" has been around for a lot longer than Donald Trump. —danhash (talk) 18:02, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • He literally became the President of the United States, it's going to be way, way, way, way more than ~4 years. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 18:09, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Support disambiguation page as main - Sure, the word "trump" has been around for a long time. But, after the election, there's no way that "Trump" referring to Donald also won't be around for a long time. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 18:09, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]