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Sad, but does pass WP:NEVENT or WP:NCRIME. Occurred in December 2018 - references in article are all from December 2018. BEFORE in English, Hebrew, and Arabic shows coverage is mostly limited to December close to the event, with a little bit of coverage (some of it unreliable) continuing in January. No coverage in February or March. Thus we fail WP:SUSTAINED and WP:LASTING impact of this sad event is unclear. Icewhiz (talk) 12:13, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 12:14, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 12:14, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 12:14, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Speedy keep: Military's police investigation is ongoing and there will be their reports, soon or late. See Death of Mustafa Tamimi where later reports came after the incident. I'm astonished by the nomination though! --Mhhossein ^talk 12:19, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Maybe, maybe not. Given there is no continuing coverage of this (and coverage limited to a certain month), we should assume not. Tamimi got continuing coverage to a large extent due to the family and the specific village being very famous with various subsequent events - without coverage centered on Ahed Tamimi and her family, it is unlikely it would've been covered in a sustained fashion. Sadly such events are far too routine and common in the West Bank. Icewhiz (talk) 12:25, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think you rushed into this nomination given the fact that the last sources dealing with this subject date back to 2-3 months ago, which are not too far from us! --Mhhossein ^talk 14:40, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The sources are all confined to the month of the event (+ a little bit of spillover to the next month - in less reliable or non-reliable sources) - this is a rather strong indication of lack of continuing coverage. In Dec/Jan it might have been worth waiting a bit for the nomination to see if coverage continues - but we're now in March. Icewhiz (talk) 15:02, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Also, Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWSPAPER. If anything significant emerges from the military investigation (unlikely IMO), then the article can always be recreated. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:56, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: A quick search led me to this fresh source. Al-Haq, an independent Palestinian human-rights organization, have sent Submission to UN Special Rapporteur regarding issues among them Death of Mohammad Habali. There's also this one from mid Jan. --Mhhossein ^talk 04:40, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  That is al-Haq's own website from 1 Feb.Icewhiz (talk) 04:45, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  So what? --Mhhossein ^talk 10:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:42, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Lack of persistent coverage; nothing in reliable sources since January this year. If coverage picks up again when (if?) the report is released, the article can be restored to draft space, I expect. ——SerialNumber54129 12:57, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per User:Serial Number 54129 and Icewhiz. Although I have contributed in improving this page, my first thought was to AfD it since I had concerns that it fails WP:LASTING and WP:BLP1E. It seems that community feels that this does not reach the mark per WP:NOTNEWS and I agree.--DBigXrayᗙ 13:38, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• keep it has been sentenced too harshly. As WP:LASTING mentioned, "This does not, however, mean recent events with unproven lasting effect are automatically non-notable" as well as the event is ongoing with such sources btselem(2 mounth age) and parliament.Saff V. (talk) 09:21, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comment but I should add that the Btselem source belongs to less than 2 months ago. --Mhhossein ^talk 09:37, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete a sad death that fails WP:NCRIME and WP:NEVENT because coverage petered out shortly after the event, and no indication of any WP:EFFECT.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:46, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just like Killing of Esther Ohana. --Mhhossein ^talk 18:57, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Esther Ohana was killed in 1983. The page was started last year. If you run a search of her name in books or news, you will find WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE over many decades. Notability is more difficult to establish for recent events, but some very recent events do have WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE, stuff like in depth journalism and thoughtful commentary by notable individuals in the weeks and months after the initial flurry of coverage. Take a look at some recent EVENTS like January 2019 Lincoln Memorial confrontation, 2019 Pulwama attack, Killing of Aya Maasarwe, to understand the types of coverage that are lacking on this page.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:50, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's why I say it's too soon to say the subject in question fails WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE or WP:LASTING given the latest sources being published some ten days ago. --Mhhossein ^talk 14:12, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I'm just bewildered by the above comments saying the subject fails WP:LASTING and etc while the latest source dealing with the subject belongs to almost 20 days ago and another source belongs to 50 days ago. I strongly believe it's too soon to assess whether or not the article passes WP:LASTING. More over, as Saff V. mentioned, per WP:LASTING, recent events with unproven lasting effect can not be automatically considered non-notable. --Mhhossein ^talk 18:45, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• You are confusing WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE with WP:LASTING.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:30, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Then you need to see WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE: "However, this may be difficult or impossible to determine shortly after the event occurs, as editors cannot know whether an event will receive further coverage or not. That an event occurred recently does not in itself make it non-notable." --Mhhossein ^talk 14:16, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

we here are assessing the notability after 4 months of the event. By no stretch of imagination can 4 months, be considered "shortly after the event occurs" --DBigXrayᗙ 15:00, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And we have sources for some ten days ago. --Mhhossein ^talk 16:24, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, appears to meet none of the requirements cited by editor above to be regarded as a notable crime. PE65000