Category talk:Holocaust denial
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Questions about categorization
Why is Category:Holocaust denial categorized in Category:Pseudoscience when the article Holocaust denial isn't categorized in Category:Pseudoscience? 128.171.51.167 23:26, 7 June 2005 (UTC)
Should we have a subcategory Category:Holocaust deniers for individuals? GCarty 18:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- I think so. A list would be another option and in my mind other than the advantages listed here this has the advantage of allowing nesting within the pages using |* or similar. See Category:Cults for a similar approach. Antonrojo 00:26, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that denying holocaust should be considered as neo-nazism, I guess most of the holocaust deniers are actually against nazism totally, I've removed the category for that reason. best regards --196.202.74.136 14:32, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Why is this a subcategory of Anti-Semitism? One who thinks that the holocaust might be exaggerated isn't necessarily Anti-Semitic. BhaiSaab talk 20:36, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
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see also category
I don't understand why this should be removed. This is not an issue of anti-Semitism and anti-Korean racism. Clearly, it is historical revisionism for war crimes related to the Axis powers of World War II. Mureungdowon (talk) 20:32, 16 May 2023 (UTC) At that time, both the Nazi Germany and Japanese Empire were totalitarian ultranationalist states of major Axis powers. There is no reason why Japanese war crimes and Nazi war crimes should be considered different. Mureungdowon (talk) 20:35, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
- I concur with Wetglass & Jayjg in this regard. Relevant articles might want "see also", but the discussion at Talk:Antisemitism is pretty much exactly the same issue. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 20:46, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
- No, it's not appropriate to compare with that talk. Because the current discussion is not just a comparison between anti-Korean racism and anti-Semitism, but a denial of war crimes in World War II. See Asian Holocaust. Mureungdowon (talk) 20:52, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
- Wetglass is likely a conservative Japanese editor. The editor is a person who claims that Nippon Kaigi and Shinzo Abe are not fascists, and that Abe is even a center-right nationalist politician. In modern Germany, German nationalism itself is considered far-right. Since the Japanese grow up with revisionist education on war crimes against the Asian Holocaust, the possibility of having a very biased view on this issue is worrisome. Almost all Koreans compare Japanese war crimes to Nazi war crimes, the former more brutal than the latter. Mureungdowon (talk) 20:57, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
- Honestly Mureungdowon if you are going to directly start the conversation by poisoning the well with personal attacks and misinterpretations by taking out of context things I have written in the past I'm not even going to bother engaging with you much since that's extremely off-putting behavior. The thing about doing something like that is that you look like a fool when that person reveals some basic information about themselves. I'm neither Japanese nor conservative (quite the opposite). In the US I have been supporting people like Bernie Sanders, AOC, and the progressive caucus ever since 2015/2016 and in Japan the major party that mostly aligns with me is the Democratic one although since they don't have much of a chance of winning, the more realistic option is Taro Kono from the LDP. I will concur with @Jayjg, @Jpgordon on this issue and the points that have already been made in Talk:Antisemitism. This page focus is Holocaust denial and things directly related to it. This category is NOT about "Denial of war crimes in World War II". I repeat, this category is specifically made for Holocaust denial, anything outside of that doesn't belong here. I don't know why you insist on adding unrelated things to pages which were clearly not made for those topics. Please understand.
- Other than that I won't engage much more since I don't have much time for editing (inactive on Wikipedia for nearly a year) but will say one last thing, you've recently both been put on the notice board by others because they thought you lacked neutrality and blocked for a week last month for edit warring. Wikipedia is not a battlefield nor a place where you go to win arguments against others when they don't agree with you, either by going on long tirades about why you are right or personally attacking them (there's Reddit, Twitter and many such places on the Internet where you can do that to your heart's content). Just stick to good quality sourcing (academic if possible) and calmly edit things based on that while also using common sense. Guaranteed you won't have to fight with anyone and will easily solve any disagreements if they arise. If you are getting riled up on a place like this you are definitely doing something wrong. And for the love of god don't attack people personally or put false labels on them, that's just gross. WetGlass (talk) 23:27, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
- Grossly unacceptable. @Mureungdowon, consider this a warning; your comments about WetGlass breach WP:CIVIL and are barely a millimeter from violating WP:NPA; they quite certainly cross WP:AGF. A wise editor would apologize, and strike the offending comments. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 15:32, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
- I apologize for unfairly criticizing WetGlass. Sorry. Mureungdowon (talk) 20:20, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
- Grossly unacceptable. @Mureungdowon, consider this a warning; your comments about WetGlass breach WP:CIVIL and are barely a millimeter from violating WP:NPA; they quite certainly cross WP:AGF. A wise editor would apologize, and strike the offending comments. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 15:32, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
I don't think Japanese war crimes need to be distinguished from the Holocaust. Just as the Holocaust denial itself is far-right, the denial of Japanese war crimes is also far-right. The majority of Japanese are neofascists by German political standards, and this is not a racist slur against the Japanese, but an obvious FACT. The Japanese were clearly allies with the Nazis during World War II. Mureungdowon (talk) 03:21, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
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