Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 9

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 9, 2023.

• Graphix → Scholastic Corporation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• GRAPHIX → Scholastic Corporation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in the target page. Pichpich (talk) 18:06, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. A quick search yields that this is related to Scholastic, but the term is too simplistic to be a redirect. Additionally, many websites use this term, primarily for design websites. Yoblyblob (talk) 18:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Added information. Shortride (talk) 18:17, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or turn into disambiguation page. Also consider GRAPHIX. Dan Leonard (talk) 20:21, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget both this and GRAPHIX to Graphic (disambiguation). Dan Leonard (talk) 15:44, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete It is related but too simplistic. Seawolf35 (talk - email) 21:11, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: An oversimplified redirect of GRAPHIX (all caps). HarukaAmaranth ^春_香 23:51, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• retarget to Graphic (disambiguation) as {{R from misspelling|graphics}} / {{R from ambiguous term}} -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 03:47, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, has a mention at target article (and also includes a hatnote explaining the redirect). Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 14:31, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 02:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Bundling in alterate capitalization GRAPHIX. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 02:38, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak retarget both to Scholastic Corporation#Imprints and corporate divisions and move the hatnote from the top of the page to that section as with "Omnibus Books". I don't think "graphix" is actually a common misspelling of "graphics" and a hatnote in the section will quickly get to the disambiguation page. The Scholastic's imprint seems likely to be primary and one of the main exact matches. Skynxnex (talk) 03:21, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the talk of the current and proposed targets.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 07:10, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Albanian genocide → Massacres of Albanians in the Balkan Wars  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not a helpful or useful redirect. The redirect name is vague and not one that's common or applied in sources for anyone to search for when seeking the target article, which itself is a descriptive title. Griboski (talk) 16:14, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep This is how the event is commonly referred to in some socialist and Albanian circles. If you have concerns about the name being ambiguous, then it can be turned into a disambiguator page or a disambiguator can be added to the directed article. Yung Doohickey (talk) 19:31, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yung Doohickey, could you add information about this in the article? I think we should keep the redirect only if such Albanian circles refer to it under the specific term "Albanian genocide". If they only call it a genocide, which happens to refer to Albanians, the term is WP:OR and WP:SYNTH and should be deleted. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 15:05, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is how the event was referred to in Juka's translation of Albania's Golgotha (a major source for the target article).[here] It is also referred like this in some socialist publications.[1][2] It's also somewhat common name in Albanian areas of social media. Yung Doohickey (talk) 19:43, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Social media is irrelevant. The two "publications" you linked to are random far-left/communist blogs and websites which wouldn't pass WP:RS. We need evidence that it is used commonly enough in an abundances of sources, not a few cherry-picked places. In this case, how historiography and reliable sources refer to a subject is important. --Griboski (talk) 23:06, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My point is that this redirect is probably common enough to be useful. One of the far left sources I listed is the third search result on google when "massacres of Albanians" is searched. It's not RS but it is relatively prominent. Albania's Golgotha isn't really cheery-picked, since it's a very prominently used source in the target article. Yung Doohickey (talk) 05:02, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:24, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No comments since the last one.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 02:05, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final attempt at further participation. Also notified of this discussion at the target talk page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 06:28, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• First violin → Concertmaster  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Potentially unclear if this redirect is meant to refer to the target, or to String section which contains reference to a "first violin" section rather than a sole individual. Steel1943 (talk) 05:40, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See definition 2 at: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/first_violin

Samw (talk) 12:01, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• 2nd shift → Shift work  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Second shift → Shift work  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The target article mentions the phrase "2nd shift" twice, but it does not define what the term means. Readers could be searching this phrase attempting to find specific information regarding the term, and end up finding nothing. There may be relevant information in Shift plan regarding the term "2nd shift" and seems better identified there, but not necessarily defined. Steel1943 (talk) 05:27, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Mao Zedong genocide → Great Leap Forward#Consequences  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Controversial redirect whose article to which it is targeted does not mention that the name of the redirect is the common name. Also, it was created by a sockpuppet user. 2x2leax (talk) 05:04, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Pirate attacks on Fuerteventura in 1740 → Attacks on Fuerteventura in 1740  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect which name is not a common name to the article it is targeted. Also, the article mentions nothing related to pirates. 2x2leax (talk) 05:09, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]