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Unverified image

Anyone care to investigate whether the image in this article from ohiobiz.com is legit permission? -- user:zanimum

Dayton flood

The Dayton flood, which I always remember as an important part of it's history, seems to be severly skimped over.

The newest revision introduces it; hopefully later contribution can expand on it. ~ Dpr 07:51, 4 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to have a number of different names, the most prominent being The Great Flood Of 1913. The souvenir photo booklet that I have about the flood and fires just refers to the event as The Terrible Flood Of 1913, a calamity affecting multiple cities (Dayton, Columbus, Hamilton, others), so I am hesitant to refer to it as the Dayton flood, although I'm pretty certain Dayton got the worst of it. — mjb 10:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Someone just finished rewritting it: Great Dayton Flood --Kjmoran 03:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lead section/geography

The city is in the southwest quadrant of the state; most official and government designations place it in west-central Ohio, an area that colloquially often refers to Lima, Ohio.

I moved the foregoing sentence from the lead section to the Geography section. --Dpr 07:58, 4 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Birthplace of Aviation

I think the nickname "Birthplace of Aviation" is adopted by the State of Ohio (since many aviation pioneers are from the state, not just the Wright brothers); but Dayton itself doesn't use the nickname.

Also, the "Gem City" nickname isn't used anymore except on maybe a few billboards around town for the last remaining business to use the nickname. Peyna 15:13, 12 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

These nicknames might be on the wane, but I don't think that warrants cutting them out of the article completely. "Gem City" is pretty significant as a part of Dayton history. Acsenray 19:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Huffman Prairie

Some more detailed information on the Wright Brothers' use of Huffman Prairie:

It seems that they did not make use of it at all prior to the flights at Kitty Hawk. They may have performed other non-powered "kite" tests around Dayton, but it seems their first powered flight did indeed take place at Kitty Hawk. Peyna 05:16, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That was fast. Thanks! Since the article said before & after Kitty Hawk, I thought maybe they did unmanned glider (or even powered) flights at Huffman Prairie prior to their manned flights at Kitty Hawk, but I couldn't confirm that info, so that's why I requested that someone cite sources for the claim. — mjb 10:44, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Natives

The list of notable natives is getting a little long for the rest of the article. While I'd hate to have to come up with some arbitrary criteria for conclusion, perhaps the list could be trimmed or organized in a better way so that it doesn't take up so much space? Peyna 21:40, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I at least organized them into groups so that we'll have a better idea of what we're dealing with. A table format might take care of it, but I'm not sure how well that would work across browsers. Peyna 22:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Although Mike Peters and Phil Donahue were associated with Dayton, they're not natives. Peters was only there as an adult (he's from St. Louis), and Donahue was born in Cleveland. I suspect some of the others in the list are not natives, either. I don't mind seeing them in the list, but the section needs to be retitled. As for its length, there is a way to make multi-column lists. I've seen it on other articles, but don't recall how it's done. Poke around a bit.—mjb 19:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
By my calculations, the following people listed under Notable Natives probably don't belong there (they weren't born in Dayton, or didn't "grow up" in Dayton, but they may have contributed a lot later in their lives):
Given some of their importance to the area, perhaps we should just re-title the section? Peyna 22:15, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
the title has always bothered me a little for this very reason, so I endorse retitling. Notable citizens?David 23:24, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Notable Daytonians? Hoof Hearted 15:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notable facts

It's stated that the parking meter was invented by a Daytonian, whereas it was actually invented by an Oklahoma Sooner (Carl Magee). Could this have been intended to be a reference to the Ohmer taxicab meter? David 00:04, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Victoria Theatre

The link under "Victoria Theatre" links to a Victoria Theatre in Singapore. I am new to Wikipedia and do not know how to cahnge this. I am not even sure if this is the right place to discuss this.

If you edit that section, you can change it from [[Victoria Theatre]] to [[Victoria Theatre (Dayton, Ohio)|Victoria Theatre]], which will display the text "Victoria Theatre", but link to the wikipedia article for Victoria Theatre (Dayton, Ohio), which probably does not yet exist. Peyna 11:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

hidden gov

i was told, by someone associated with politics that dayton is where the people who really run the country are; that the UN meetings are there, and not in washington. anyone feel like adding details/proof of it?

Dayton, or more specifically, Wright-Patterson AFB is the center of a lot of Air Force related activity, and therefore a lot of such related discussions take place in the area. Wright-Patt used to hold a lot of the Air Force research, and Dayton was instrumental in a lot during WWII, but as far as politics, Dayton isn't involved much. The only UN related thing here would be the Dayton Peace Accords. Compared to Washington, not much happens out here. The stuff that does it mostly due to the history of Dayton and the Air Force Base holding the Air Force Materiel Command. Peyna 22:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Demographics

Statement added about "segregated"... as a resident, I don't necessarily disagree with it, but how is that statement substantiated?

As of now, it doesn't seem to be. It should either be removed or supported with a citation to a reliable source. Mwillia9 06:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What's with the idiocy of wiki editors?

I'm sick and tired of seeing significant info missing from wiki articles. Why is there not a single mention of the red light runner who slammed into a car, causing it to roll over a pedestrian? Yes I know not all incidents in all cities have to be mentioned, but the video of it was passed around the net like a 2 dollar whore. See this for more info:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/carcrash01.asp

I'm sick and tired of anons ranting about information missing from articles rather than just posting it themselves! And I don't think a lot of wiki editors appreciate the implication that they are idiots. I'll add your "significant" article under the trivia section. Note that anyone can edit articles so next time, feel free to do it yourself. Cheers. Hoof Hearted 21:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dog Fighting Bust

If you lived in Dayton, perhaps you would see why this is considered important. It's been a first-segment story on the news ever since Saturday. It's described as the "largest dog fighting ring in the state of Ohio" and the largest dog fighting case many of the federal agents have worked on. The seizure of 64 dogs is huge. I don't think we need to break down a timeline of the operation in an article on Dayton, but two sentences (with a reference) seems perfectly appropriate. Hoof Hearted 13:00, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but even the biggest local news is not necessarily encyclopedic. Remember, we are writing an encyclopedia, not a news report. This information belongs in the dog fighting article, not here. --- RockMFR 22:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree with RockMFR on this one, no one will remeber a "dog fighting ring" in 10 or even 5 years from now. This is just as unencyclopedic as talking about dayton having the biggest drug bust in ohio, or the biggest gambling ring bust...basically it is not something that would be found in an encyclopedia and therefore I will be reverting it back. --Joebengo 22:56, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I respectfully disagree, but submit to your opinions. I don't see what is unencyclopedic about a brief anecdote to illustrate a crime issue. Hoof Hearted 16:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Now if I could just get you guys to come over to Talk:2007 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament and support the same argument to eliminate the game-by-game summaries!  :-) Hoof Hearted 20:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of information about elected officials?

I would like to question the removal of all the information about elected officials by anonymous user 58.237.36.172 on May 19, 2006. It seems to me that this is not trivial information and is appropriately included in the main page about a city. I propose to restore most of that information. Acsenray 15:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wondered about that as well, but figured someone was trying to streamline the article. The removal of mostly non-notable red linked names seemed justified to me. It also seemed like maintaining an elected offical list would require a certain amount of work, but I ultimately have no problem with its restoration. If you bring it back, I'd suggest de-linking the red links. Hoof Hearted 14:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What is "Dayton"?

I have a problem listing all the cities in the "Dayton metropolitan area" in the lead paragraph. I propose we limit the description in the lead to the four counties that make up the Dayton MSA (Montgomery, Miami, Greene, and Preble) and describe the various political/statistical divisions lower in the body:

I'm not certain how "official" all this data is, but if someone with more knowledge/research time could verify this I think it would make a worthwhile addition. Hoof Hearted 15:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gem City

I've always heard that our fair city is nicknamed the "Gem City" because we were the "gem on the queen's crown," "Queen" referencing Cincinnati's nickname of "the Queen City." Does anyone object if I add this bit? Mvblair 12:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crime Section

I object to the "Crime" section in this article. It's a pretty speculative and most city pages don't have such a section. As a resident of the city, I think our reputation is pretty skewed.

...Perhaps we could move the information here around the article a bit. For example, the sentences "Like many midwestern cities suffering from a declining manufacturing base, the city has seen a high poverty rate, although that rate declined during the 1990s.GM and its spinoff Delphi's factories, just to name a few, make up much of the city's employment." could be put toward the end of the history section. The paragraph "While the past five years have shown a general decrease in crime, Dayton has historically had high crime rates. According to FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in 2005 the crime rate per capita was more than twice the national average in the areas of murder, robbery, motor vehicle theft, rape, and burglary.[6] Dayton also had a the 3rd highest crime rate per capita in the State, putting Cleveland 1st, Cincinnati in 2nd and Toledo in 4th." could be put under demographics. The Rhine McClin statement is already mentioned on her Wikipedia entry. And while Dayton does look to have a high number of abandoned buildings, we need a citation for this. It might be the same proportion of abandoned buildings as any other city.

I'll wait a few days to see if anyone responds and then perhaps I'll make these changes. I'll be sure to note the changes so someone can dispute them if they so desire. Mvblair 12:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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