User talk:Jimbo Wales

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First of all I would like to establish that this is not a personal attack or a vandalism secondly I doubt that Mr. Wales will answer me so any of the good editors who patrol this page are free to answer and last of all I respect the right to express oneself as being one of the most fundamental rights. Dear Mr. Wales I know myself and many others would appreciate if you changed the "founded" to "co-founded with Larry Sanger" because this is the right thing to do and because another human beings deseveres appreciation for this great project and you have so nicley mentioned Angela Beesley Starling as the other co-founder of wikia. This is your change to make to be civil one of the pillars of wikipedia. (I would appreciate if this wasn't deleted) by some editor who believes it constitutes as vandalism.211.30.14.161 (talk) 11:06, 25 February 2009 (UTC) Interesting —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.14.161 (talk) 11:20, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comment. I do not agree, and decline to falsify history. For the record, I think that in general, Larry is given insufficient credit for his competent work as the editor-in-chief of the Wikipedia project.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 17:39, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see, well that is your opinion. By the way I'm little starstruck I can't believe the Jimmy Wales answered my querry211.30.14.161 (talk) 04:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, I'm just some guy on the internet, typing in my pajamas like everybody else.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 05:28, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TMI. Jehochman ^Talk 05:33, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TMI = Too much information (I dislike unexplained abbreviations). Johan Lont (talk) 14:16, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OMGWTFBBQ –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 18:53, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

[1] It says "WWW.MEATSPIN.COM BITCH GOT OWNED" over and over. Look for it in the news soon, like that Obama one. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 07:59, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It actually looks fine now. I doubt if things like this will hit the media much, although I suppose lazy journalists might think that "wikipedia was vandalized and google cached it for a little while" is somehow interesting.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:40, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For Rihanna, although she is well-known, I doubt it will make headlines (or even small articles). The Obama case was much more newsworthy, since it meant that everyone looking for one of the most notable people on earth was confronted with blatant racism for several hours on the largest search engine in the world, highlighting how small coincidences can have big consequences, and how flagged revisions may also be beneficial on high profile (heavily watched) BLPs. Fram (talk) 14:53, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was gone after about 15 minutes from when I first saw it, so I guess google updates pretty often. Someone over at ANI estimated it happens pretty often, so I guess it's nothing to get worked up about. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:39, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would argue that if it happens pretty often, it is something to get worked up about. We should care, even if the press quite rightly doesn't.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 21:30, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is Googles' problem, IMHO. It just goes to show that if the "largest search engine in the world" gives out such poor results, perhaps its design isn't suited for doing research. --Nezek (talk) 14:32, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We might want to look into autounconfirming accounts. This is the second instance in a week this has happened... Sceptre ^(talk) 19:56, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain the term 'autounconfirming'? Do you mean 'un-autoconfirming'?  :) Why do that to someone who vandalizes, rather than simply block them and be done with it?--Jimbo Wales (talk) 21:30, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Using the new WP:Abuse filter exception, the software can de-autoconfirm an account that performs a specific action instantly. This is much faster than the response time of any administrator and I believe there were some objections to abuse filter being used to block/desysop rouge/vandal accounts. MBisanz ^talk 21:39, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Un-autoconfirming may perhaps be a good thing, but I don't see how it would prevent such vandalism, or it being cached (or does the antiabusefilter prevent the saving of articles in such blatant cases? I'm not really sure what the filter actually does and doesn't.). Fram (talk) 08:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re Jimbo: like the current system, whereby a four-day old account can do stuff like edit semi-protected pages, a user not meaning the threshold of editing (like, ten edits per month) would be suspect to losing that right. Technically, it would be probably hard to do. I didn't know the abuse filter could do that, though, and it seems like a much better alternative. Sceptre ^(talk) 00:08, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I thought FRs were supposed to be turned on a while ago? §hep^Talk 00:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, either we can do it out of our moral character, or we can wait until we're forced to by the negative publicity of a lot more of these. Frankly, I'd rather the former. WilyD 00:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Flagged revisions is like RfA reform: a lot of people think that it's needed, but the specifics vary so wildly that it'd be impossible to find a clear set that a majority would be amenable to (including those fundamentally opposed, some will oppose because the proposed trial is too strict/lenient). Sceptre ^(talk) 01:03, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Wales: The situation regarding Calton seems to have flared up again. Please see [[2]] as it is believed his user page entry still violates WP:NPA. Also, an ANI [[3]] has been posted regarding Calton's recent attacks on the user pages of Cla68 [[4]] and user Dtobias [[5]]. 78.102.139.114 (talk) 10:12, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The talk page attacks on Cla68 and Dtobias actually aren't as big a deal. Talk pages are for conversation and, regretably, sometimes emotions will flare and comments will be overly harsh. Unfortunate but it's going to happen. The user page issue is a much bigger deal. User pages simply aren't there as a place to display lasting attacks on people, whether Wikipedians or others. This isn't a matter of saying something in the heat of the moment. It's deliberately placing (and restoring) a lasting attack for no other reason than to make the attack. Carefully avoiding a real name (which can be found in the history anyway) doesn't change that - this behavior is completely inappropriate. 87.254.80.49 (talk) 21:46, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I want to inform you, that yours account on cs.wiki is now free (per this requestú, if you want to use it. JAn Dudík (talk) 20:11, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jimbo - having been dead busy away from wikipedia for the last few weeks, I thought I'd come straight to the horse's mouth and ask what the current status of the flagged revisions trial is? If anyone could point me in the direction of current discussion, or try and sum up the status quo in a few words, it'd be appreciated. My reading of the various places I've dug around is that nothing happened, and no specific action is yet scheduled? cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 23:25, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe there's a summary posted here. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 23:32, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to be dense, Carbuncle, but I can't make sense of why you linked to that page. It's about someone being alleged to have reverted a template more than three times. Nothing about flagging. Is there a page where it's being discussed? Here's my view on it:

1. "Flagged revisions" seems a non-desctiptive term. What is being flagged up about the revision? Perhaps they should be called "postponed edits" or similar.
2. This feature should only be activated for specific articles that have been subject to repeated, persistent vandalism or that are subject to large numbers of edits or views, e.g. the top 0.01%
3. It should be possible for any user of a few weeks to authenticate changes, and to request to receive notifications, e.g. by email, that edit attempts have been made, optionally with the diff.

Mr. Jones (talk) 11:15, 1 March 2009 (UTC) The relevant pages seem to be[reply]

1. Wikipedia:Flagged revisions

(fixing threads which may have been a bit split up?) - thanks Mr. Jones - just fwiw, I think Delicious was pointing out a recently departed user's views that nothing really seems to be happening on this (it's the 'BLP' bit mentioned in the banner at the top, not the specific warnings or anything, I think). IIRC, Jimbo asked the dev.s to turn the feature on - have they done so, or maybe it's time to ask nicely again, Jimbo? :-) Privatemusings (talk) 02:25, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

I'd appreciate a response to the thread you started at my usertalk; I've left a reply there, but haven't received a response. If this wasn't actually an edict regarding OS nomenclature on the encyclopedia, then I don't see why the normal dispute resolution process which has been used thus far in the debate can't be followed. As noted on Gronky's user talk, a considerable number of his mass-reverts were either baseless or counterproductive, but I'd rather wait for a response before re-engaging. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:44, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Jimbo. Remember Modernista!? You might want to pop over to the the Skittles talk page - seems that Mars has done exactly the same thing, but is linking to specific sections in our page in lieu of its own product descriptions, with its logo and menu not removable. This would seem to need your input. Tony Fox (arf!) 17:11, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, it's stupid, but whatever. Not sure what I can do about it.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 17:34, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Same issue as any site that hotlinks Wikipedia pages - the branded overlay is pretty common, too. If they were hosting their own version, with links to the history, presumably there wouldn't be any issue? Avruch ^T 18:07, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is a branded overlay common?--Jimbo Wales (talk) 18:51, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think so - I don't have specific examples to give you, but the few times that I've seen hotlinking (and the many of the other times I've seen Wikipedia text reproduced without change) there have often been branded overlays or other prominent display of logos/host names. Avruch ^T 19:26, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

After reading the Modernista talk page, I have to wonder, why do you consider this to be wrong? this what a free encyclopedia is about, you can use its content. They clearly state on their website that they don't own the content, and you can still view Wikipedia's licenses at the bottom of the page.

On a side note, you can definitely do something about it, "break frame" codes are fairly common. wikibits.js already has the code for it in place, but its not enabled (wgBreakFrames is set to false). I guess there has been some discussion about it in the past. --Nezek (talk) 20:49, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've added COI and advertising tags to the article and commented on the talk page. The text is very cleanly done and seems neutral, but it's neither neutral nor encyclopedic. Gwen Gale (talk) 19:02, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please, could either your or ArbCom tell the entire community why we must all continue to tolerate User:Giano who has been banned a staggering 45 or more times and yet is always released from his bans? This might require a pretty good explanation. See his latest appalling and vicious attack of editorial vandalism on the current UK Baron Sudeley, which I have just reverted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.56.9 (talk) 22:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nice bridge? Much in the way of goat traffic? LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:49, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

81.152 has been blocked for trolling and personal attacks. While Giano's conduct has certainly fallen below accepted Wikipedia standards from time to time, this occasion clearly isn't one of them. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:58, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]