Talk:Tony Penikett

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Replace watermarked image with File:Tony Penikett Head Shot.jpg Secondarywaltz (talk) 19:42, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: the current image is File:Tony Penikett 2.jpg which seems to redirect to File:Tony Penikett Head Shot.jpg; and I see no watermark in that. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:18, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That is because I requested the duplicate file with the watermark be deleted from Commons, and it is now a redirect. Why would you not change it to eliminate the redirect? Secondarywaltz (talk) 22:00, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Because it's WP:NOTBROKEN. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:05, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe NOTBROKEN applies to files, because the pages using the redirect don't appear in the file usage section on the file page, and the commons what links here tool doesn't detect other wikis. CommonsDelinker goes around fixing the links to files moved on the commons. I would actually prefer the old image, File:Tony Penikett.jpg, the head shot doesn't seem appealing. 117Avenue (talk) 04:36, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest using the old photo in the info-box, since it appears to date from his time as Premier, and then use the "head shot" in the "Later Career" section. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 06:29, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it actually does date from his time as Premier; rather, the "January 1, 1980" creation date is almost certainly a null "no creation date present in the metadata" placeholder. The evidence is that (a) the copyright holder is named as "SFU Public Affairs and Media Relations", but he wasn't associated with SFU until the early 2000s; (b) he's standing in front of a map of British Columbia, which he wouldn't be doing if the picture actually dated from his time in office in Yukon, rather than later on when he was working in British Columbia; and (c) he looks not even close to being 25 years younger in that photograph than he does in the one that's dated 2005. In fact, he looks to be almost exactly the same age in both photographs — he would have been 35 years old in 1980, and the man in the SFU photograph is clearly much closer to 60 than to 35. So the evidence at hand is that both photographs date roughly to the same time period — and even if you discount all of that evidence and assume 1980 as the real date of the photograph, it still wouldn't actually date from his term as premier, considering that he didn't become premier until 1985. Bearcat (talk) 21:18, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I also believe that the image should be reverted because Jmlee28's other edits have been reverted as vandalism. 117Avenue (talk) 02:48, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, there's an argument I can actually respond to.

Our conflict of interest rules are not a blanket prohibition on the subject or their representative ever making any edits to the article at all — they're only a prohibition on edits that violate one or more of Wikipedia's content policies, such as WP:NPOV or the use of reliable sourcing. Since the photographs in question don't present any bias issues one way or the other, however, the COI issue is irrelevant. In actual fact, if an article subject dislikes the existing photograph, then as long as the replacement is uploaded to us under an appropriate content license then we typically do defer to their photo preference as a gesture of good faith. (To name just three examples that I was involved in, we've previously done exactly that for Mellisa Hollingsworth, Bryan Lee O'Malley and Timber Timbre.) So Jmlee's conflict of interest with regard to the text of the article has no bearing on the question of which photograph we should or shouldn't use, because no evidence has been presented so far that either of the photographs actually violates any of our content policies.

If you could prove that Jmlee didn't actually have the correct copyright permissions to upload the photograph under the license that he did, then we would certainly have to deprecate and delete it as an improperly licensed copyright violation — but so far, the only valid rationale we've got for going back to the old photograph is that you personally like it better. Bearcat (talk) 21:18, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Additional reasons to prefer the old photograph ( File:Tony_Penikett.jpg ) over the new one ( File:Tony_Penikett_Head_Shot.jpg ) are that the old one is sharper than the new one, and much higher resolution (3,456 × 2,592 vs. 484 × 553). If we want something closer to a head shot, we probably have plenty of resolution to simply crop the old image to focus more closely on the face. Also, if Jmlee is still interested or willing, uploading a similarly high-resolution (and in-focus) photo would certainly be welcome. 63.251.123.2 (talk) 22:06, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The government no longer refers to itself as "the Yukon" but just "Yukon". The entry in the Infobox should be edited to "3rd Premier of Yukon": Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 17:50, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Correct, the government no longer refers to itself as "the Yukon". However, this change was only in 2003, Penikett was premier in 1985. 117Avenue (talk) 02:53, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]