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Homophobia Controversy and Genderphobia

In Vincent Stephens book Italic text Popular Music, he has a chapter about Eminem and the "controversy" surrounding him about his homophobia but also brings up genderphobia by saying, "Eminem's critics fail to expose the complexity of his lyrics. Through a close reading of Eminem's lyrics and persona, I identify the distinctions between sexual object-choice and gender behaviour that the rapper makes in his lyrics and rhetoric. Too many critics unjustifiably collapse genderphobic aspects of hip-hop rhetoric under the rubric of homophobia. Conflating gender behaviour and sexual object-choice distorts the arguably dominant role of gender as an impetus for discrimination." Cite error: Invalid parameter: use the {{reflist}} template with the group parameter (see the help page). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbrock93 (talk • contribs) 02:30, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Eminem admitted to being gay in the new movie "The Interview". This should definitely be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.62.218.144 (talk) 05:13, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That was definitely a joke in the movie. No need to change anything because of it. DanielDPeterson + talk 19:28, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

editing the info in the box on the right

if eminem is listed as an actor, surely he should be listed as a singer. also should skylar grey be an associated act? Omarlow (talk) 12:35, 2 January 2015 (UTC)omarlowOmarlow (talk) 12:35, 2 January 2015 (UTC)2 January 2015[reply]

@Omarlow: Eminem acted in films such as 8 Mile. He doesn't actually sing. Rappers such as Drake and T-Pain can be, but I don't think Eminem. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 09:47, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2015

age 47 86.184.171.40 (talk) 09:35, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Please put in change x to y format. It is not clear what changes are requested. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 09:43, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Eminem sales:

Not to discredit this Nigerian article here, but there is something wrong over the 40 million worldwide albums+singles sales

Article: 115 million albums and single sold in US and over 40 million worldwide.

Eminem official site: 100 million albums worldwide, 42 million tracks and 49.1 million albums in the United States Source

In the United States: Soundscan sales 45,160,000 million (6, June 2014). Yahoo Chart Watch - Source plus the 8 Mile Soundtrack album sales 4,922,000 million ( [FROZEN]It’s the first soundtrack to a theatrically-released movie to hit 3M since 8 Mile, which has sold 4,922,000 copies since its release in 2002) - Yahoo Chart Watch - Source Total albums sold: 50,082,000

- 100,000,000 (Albums sold worldwide) minus 50,082,000 (Albums sold in US) = 49,180,000 sold albums WORLDWIDE, this amount passes easily the 40 million albums+singles sold worldwide according to that article, leaving the amount of singles sold worldwide uncovered.

100,000,000 albums sold worldwide + 42,000,000 singles sold in US (very likely to be outdated) + 8,900,000 singles sold in United Kingdom as 18/10/2012 (outdated) Official Charts - Source

Total: 150,900,000

So counting the albums sold worldwide and only the singles sold in US and UK, the worldwide total sales given by that article is clearly highly inaccurate

An alternative source can be found here: http://www.theconcertforvalor.com/

Artists -> Eminem

Elton John speaks about Eminem

In a Rolling Stone article published in April of 2005, written in part by Elton John, John reflected upon his 2001 Grammy Awards performance of "Stan" alongside Eminem, saying "When we started to do the song and Eminem made his entrance, I got goose bumps the likes of which I have not felt since I first saw Jimi Hendrix, Mick Jagger, James Brown and Aretha Franklin. Eminem was that good...There are very few performers who can grab you like that the first time - only the greats." This would be an appropriate quotation to add to the section titled "Comparisons to other artists" to describe his live performances.

Elton John described his decision to work with Eminem, saying, "From the start, I've always admired Eminem's thinking. That's the reason I wanted to appear on the Grammys with him when I was asked, despite all the nonsense about his being homophobic and crap like that. Let the Boy Georges and the George Michaels of the world get up in a twist about it if they don't have the intelligence to see his intelligence." This would be an appropriate quotation to add to the second paragraph of the section titled "2000-02: The Marshall Mathers LP and The Eminem Show" after the first sentence about GLAAD condemning John's decision to perform with Eminem. [1] DylanD123 (talk) 23:27, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2015

Dear Wikipedia, I Request To Edit This Article Cause Of This Wrong Information: "Children: Hailie", And Should Be Changed To "Children: Hailie Jade Scott Mathers, Alaina Marie Mathers, Whitney Scott Mathers" Source: https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&rlz=1C1EODB_enUS575US576&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=979&q=eminem&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAx8HsxKXfq6-gWFZcXpRHo_wDCWHmfFrJobIPI-bbzKjKmXuXwA1UCFzKwAAAA&ei=gTYNVbWWLoG4ogT4nYK4AQ&ved=0CBgQ1S8 Thank You For Reading This Request. JAKaiser5000 (talk) 09:15, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Google searches themselves are not considered reliable sources. You'll have to find a better source for such information, though Hailie's full name can be included since it is reliably sourced within the article. I will add hers. Snuggums (talk / edits) 13:16, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2014–present: Shady XV: gold certification

Greetings,

Shady XV was certified Gold(500,000) by RIAA on DECEMBER 12, 2014

https://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?content_selector=gold-platinum-searchable-database — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shady2103 (talk • contribs) 12:06, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rap God on Rap Genius

Hello, i'm new to this, never posted on wikipedia before. I'm a huge fan of both Eminem and this page. I learned a lot from it in my early days of fandom, so i wanted to thank all of you for putting this page together so well.

I didn't want to try myself and mess up the whole layout, so i'll use this space to make suggestions of where a couple of annotations could be interesting in expanding the story from the first person pov, engaging the audience with who he is and what he sounds like off a record.

Also he's describing his life and explaining lyrics in his own words, which is pretty cool. Perhaps that information should be left for people to find on rap genius, or simply stated somewhere with a hyperlink, but i think a couple of these additions could be interesting.



So for example, in the first paragraph of "1992–99: Early career, Infinite, and The Slim Shady LP" the discussion of his early years and formation of D12 is brushed over pretty quickly, as well as the influence of Proof on Eminem. Something regarding the hip-hop shop or early days of "talent shows at centerline high" could be interesting, though i'll admit i don't have an actual for that one.

In the third paragraph, between the first and second sentences before "The character" i think " quotation could help explain:

"Coming out with an alias was part of Proof’s whole idea. He said, “Let’s be in a group called D12, and there will be six of us, and we’ll each have an alias. We’ll each be two different people.” When I started rapping as Shady, as that character, it was a way for me to vent all my frustrations and just blame it on him. If anybody got mad about it, it was him that said it, you know what I’m saying? It was a way for me to be myself and say what I felt. I never wanted to go back to just rapping regular again."

http://genius.com/38281

Seems to me to give a better understanding of why he did what he did, rather than making it seem like he glorified the gore on purpose. Any fan knows its much more complicated than that.



Also the fourth paragraph describes his loss at the rap Olympics and subsequent discovery by Interscope and dr. Dre. There's a more detailed story below. For brevity's sake perhaps it's not necessary, but how he got discovered and all that was pretty tumultuous and defining for his career. Even just the addition of Dean Geistlinger's name could make it seem a little less vague.

"We had pressed up The Slim Shady EP and it was doing pretty well in Detroit. At some point, Wendy Day called me and said “I want you to be on the battle team. I got you a ticket to the Rap Olympics in LA.”

I went to the Olympics, got all the way to the end, and then lost to the last guy. The guy who won was Otherwize, from LA. It was a local thing. They had a bunch of crowd support there. When I rapped, he went and hid behind a video screen. He walked away while I was rapping. I didn’t have anyone to battle! I’d never been in a situation like that before. I went through a lot of people to get through to the end, and then he walked away while I was rapping. I’m like, “What the fuck do I do?” I was devastated.

I come off stage. I’m like, that’s it. It’s over for me. This kid from Interscope, Dean Geistlinger, walks over and he asks me for a copy of the CD. So I kind of just chuck it at him. It was The Slim Shady EP. We come back to Detroit, I have no fucking home, no idea what I’m gonna do. Then, a couple weeks later, we get a call. Marky Bass said, “Yo, we got a call from a doctor!”"

http://genius.com/5140174/Eminem-8-mile-final-battle/Look-look



At the end of paragraph 4, When it describes the beginning of his collaborations with Dr. Dre, this quote could add some interesting personal context to "making it."

"Dre put on the Labi Siffre record, and I was just like “Hi! My name is!” That beat was talking to me. I was like, “Yo, this is it, this is my shot. If I don’t impress this guy, I’m going back home and I’m fucked.” I knew Dre wasn’t an easy person to please. I made sure that everything he had a beat for, I had a rhyme ready to go, or I came up with a rhyme on the spot.

“My Name Is” was the first thing that came out of my mouth that first day I was at Dre’s house. I don’t know if we released what I did the first day or if I re-did it, but it was basically the same. I didn’t understand punching, or believe in it. So I would just go from the top of the song all the way down. I was never flying in hooks. Everything was live, one take. If I got all the way to the fucking end, and messed up the last word, I’d be like “Run it back, let’s do it again.” I remember Dre was like “Yo, are you fucking crazy? Let’s just punch.” I didn’t like that concept because I wasn’t used to it. When we were recording here in Detroit, in the beginning, I was saving up my money to go in. We only had an hour, you know? I’m like “One take down, alright, let’s go to the next song. Fuck it.” That’s what I was used to."

You could probably cut everything after the first sentence of the second paragraph unless you found it particularly interesting.

http://genius.com/5140208/Eminem-my-name-is/Hi-my-name-is-what-my-name-is-who-my-name-is-chka-chka-slim-shady


I'm not sure exactly where it fits, but i thought this quote made clearer his overall intention i thought.

"I always wanted to make sure that people knew what I was doing. That’s part of what Paul’s role was in the skits. He was the adult. We wanted people to know that we knew this shit was fucked up and pushing the envelope, but that there was still a voice of reason somewhere.

Songs like “White America” and “Cleanin’ out my Closet,” those aren’t really Shady. So I thought, “I’m going to call this album The Eminem Show. This is me as the rapper, not as the character.”

Also helps explain the progression of his music if you look at it, Slim Shady LP - Marhsall Mathers LP - Eminem Show, he's shed the persona progressively, with 1 Relapse, and finally into Recovery and beyond, where the demented shady has seemingly left the scene.

http://genius.com/5140258/Eminem-white-america/Intro

Thanks for looking through this. hopefully it helps spark some interesting ideas.

Doyour3ad (talk) 06:58, 10 April 2015 (UTC)doyour3ad April 9 2015 23:58 PST[reply]

Bad Picture

You can hardly see him and its hard to tell where he is. I think a different picture would be more suitable so we would could at least see his face. Akmal94 (talk) 08:31, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, bad choice of infobox picture. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 16:08, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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