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Discussion on PoV / promotional use of overcapitalization

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The discussion Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters#MOS:ISMCAPS badly needs to be tightened may be of interest to WP:NPOV regulars.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  22:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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113.193.114.193 (talk) 05:03, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Policy suggestion: "First-Word" Deference (to balance the desires of competing groups in controversial topics)

If this is the wrong place to insert policy suggestions, please let me know. So I've called what I am thinking, "first-word deference". This has to do with balancing the desires of competing groups in controversial topics. In a controversial article, both sides can receive appropriate (not necessarily equal) time. But advocates of the position being described in a particular article would be mentioned first, and then the opposition would be mentioned second. So advocates would get the "first word", and opponents would get the "last word". Some might fear that this would encourage fringe theories to flourish. I don't think this would happen for a few reasons, as long as the policy was carefully crafted.

  • Lets take the scenario where the opposing position clearly has better sources, are in the majority of the scholarly community, etc, it does not hurt their position simply by mentioning theirs second. It can be clearly mentioned in the article that while this is how "advocates" see this, the majority of scholars see it a different way.
  • Allowing "advocates" to "speak first" ensures that minority views can be mentioned, and still holds in balance the idea of weight of sources.
  • Allowing advocates to speak first allows advocates an adequate opportunity to define themselves and their movement in their own words.

Examples that come to mind are the scientific and religious debates. If you allow advocates to speak first, the article on Evolution would take shape first with sources that advocate Evolution. Sources advocating other views would be mentioned secondarily (but they would still be mentioned). While on the other hand, the article on Creationism would take shape first with sources that advocate that view. Sources advocating other views would be mentioned secondarily (but they would still be mentioned).

This idea of giving deference to the advocates I think might help to put out some fires and edit wars that tend to get started. It still allows for the best view to make a reliable encyclopedia, and yet it allows advocates to "speak first". Motmajor (talk) 21:43, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I found a more relevant location to post this. Posting in Wikipedia_talk:Describing_points_of_view Motmajor (talk) 00:31, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Review score aggregators like Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic

I brought this up in 2009 but did not get a lot of feedback, so I thought I would ask again. What are we supposed to do in the case of review score aggregators such as Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes? The problem is these sites are offering opinions about opinions. There is thus an added layer of complexity. Do we try to get the broadest sample of review scores? Do we ignore aggregators that are themselves not commonly cited in other media? Arguments[1] have included such things as Alexa ranks, Wikipedia links directing traffic to other sites, and people's careers being on the line based on one site's score but not another's. I think this page should mention aggregators and how they are covered by the policy, and would like to see more discussion on this topic. SharkD  Talk  23:38, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This topic has been addressed more than once at the WP:Film and MOS:Film talk pages. These sites are not opinion pieces, with the exception of the Rotten Tomatoes critical consensus statement. We usually cite Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic for our film articles, but we are cautious of citing them for older films (like a classic). I will alert the aforementioned talk pages to this discussion. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:06, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]