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Article milestones Date Process Result April 9, 2004 Guild of Copy Editors Copyedited April 23, 2016 Good article nominee Listed April 8, 2005 Guild of Copy Editors Copyedited February 4, 2016 Articles for deletion No consensus February 28, 2016 Guild of Copy Editors Copyedited

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• Lie-to-children

I've embarked on a Quality improvement project for Lie-to-children, first introduced as a phrase in The Science of Discworld.

If you've got recommendations for additional secondary sources that could be utilized to further improve the quality of the article, please suggest them here on the talk page.

Current status: Further research in several additional secondary sources including more scholarly and academic sources such as peer reviewed publications and academic journals is  ongoing......

Thank you for your time,

— Cirt (talk) 02:56, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The second paragraph ends in trailing quotes, without any opening quotes before. It's not clear exactly when the quoted text starts, so I've left as-is; if someone more familiar with this could tidy the phrase, that would be great. Aawood (talk) 12:40, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your helpful participation here. I'm confused, 2nd paragraph of which subsection? Could you give us a copy of the text you are referring to, here on the talk page? Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 13:01, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The very second paragraph of the article, in the lede. 'The term was originally coined in the 2000 book The Science of Discworld by Terry Pratchett, Jack Cohen, and Ian Stewart. Pratchett, Cohen and Stewart wrote that the phrase referred to: a statement that is false, but which nevertheless leads the child's mind towards a more accurate explanation, one that the child will only be able to appreciate if it has been primed with the lie".' Note the quotation mark after 'lie', at the end, with no prior quotes. Aawood (talk) 19:20, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed it. Thank you! @Aawood:Look better? — Cirt (talk) 19:10, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's great, good job. Aawood (talk) 11:58, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! — Cirt (talk) 12:03, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The concept of lie-to-children was discussed at-length in 2000 by Andrew Sawyer in the Hungarian Journal of English and American Studies, where the subject itself was included in the article title: "Narrativium and Lies-to-Children: 'Palatable Instruction in 'The Science of Discworld'".

• Sawyer, Andy (2000). "Narrativium and Lies-to-Children: 'Palatable Instruction in 'The Science of Discworld'". Hungarian Journal of English and American Studies (HJEAS). 6 (1). Centre for Arts, Humanities and Sciences (CAHS), acting on behalf of the University of Debrecen CAHS: 155–178. ISSN 1218-7364. Retrieved 28 February 2016. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |subscription= ignored (|url-access= suggested) (help)

Enjoy,

— Cirt (talk) 04:49, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've nominated this article for Good Article quality consideration, at Good Article nominations. — Cirt (talk) 23:48, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We want to make sure to emphasize and differentiate to the reader that the term originated first with Cohen and Stewart in their first two (2), NON fiction books. — Cirt (talk) 17:31, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Reil:I made some tweaks to try to improve with copy editing, let me know if that looks alright to you, bearing in mind I'd like to emphasize the first two (2) books are NON fiction and written solely by scientists. :) — Cirt (talk) 17:43, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's what I thought you were going for; it was just felt a bit bulky, y'know? I like your more recent take on it. Your recent work on the article's been putting a lot of substance into it, which is good, given the recent movement to delete it. Cheers! Reil (talk) 17:46, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for the kind words about my Quality improvement efforts to this article, Reil, and thank you for your helpful copy edits. Most appreciated! — Cirt (talk) 17:48, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This article had a prior GA Review and was unfortunately not promoted to WP:GA quality at that time. Suggestions on further quality improvement may be seen at: Talk:Lie-to-children/GA1. — Cirt (talk) 23:20, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]