Talk:Bikers Against Child Abuse

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Saw this great video linked from a Glenn Beck eMail. -- AstroU (talk) 00:01, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• http://www.glennbeck.com/2016/04/11/watch-bikers-guard-a-girls-house-night-and-day-to-protect-her-from-abusive-stepfather/

As awesome as these guys are, should the "Mission Statement" part really just be a straight up unmarked quote? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.67.145.252 (talk) 19:58, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Families in Context: Sociological Perspectives

similar organizations Miffedmess (talk) 14:32, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm a longtime Wikipedia editor in good standing, and am also a fully patched member of B.A.C.A. I have some concerns about this article, but because of my obvious WP:COI I'm not editing the article directly. I'd like to suggest changes to the article and get feedback from a neutral editor.

I'm concerned that this article suffers from WP:UNDUE weight. Currently, the whole article is 1750 words long, of which negative coverage makes up 689 words -- nearly one-half of the text. I don't think this reflects accurately on the organization overall. As a WP editor I understand that both negative and positive incidents will be included, as long as they are well sourced and reputable. But considering that B.A.C.A. includes thousands of members who have helped thousands of children, the amount of coverage dedicated to a handful of negative incidents is far out of proportion.

Suggested changes:

1. The sections "Flight 577 Incident", "Houston Chapter Pedophile" and "Texas child abuse incident" should be trimmed down to the core details and moved to a section later in the article.
2. Include a reference to the pilot study on B.A.C.A.'s effectiveness, which was accepted for publication in the journal "Evaluation and Program Planning" in August 2017. (Full text available at http://www.bacaworld.org/Documents/BACAResearchpaper.pdf
3. Observe that in cases in which B.A.C.A. has been involved, feedback from the law enforcement and criminal justice system has generally been positive. Some articles which include commentary from judges, prosecutors, and sheriffs:
   1. Arizona judge Michelle Morley and D.A.s Bill Montgomery and Michelle Arino in https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/karinabland/2019/05/10/karina-bland-bikers-against-child-abuse-arizona-chapter-do-what-it-takes-to-help-children-feel-safe/1159820001/
   2. Indiana state prosecutor Noah Schafer in https://www.cnhi.com/featured_stories/a-brotherhood-against-abuse-indiana-motorcycle-club-chapter-aims-to/article_abdfc8da-9bac-11e6-9b01-e79a448c098e.html
   3. Santa Clara County Sheriff spokesperson Sgt. James Jensen in https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2015/0312/How-a-biker-club-seeks-to-protect-children-against-abuse
   4. County Prosecutor Jacob Shellabarger in https://www.missourinet.com/2017/10/20/prosecutor-missouri-man-showed-no-remorse-in-raping-and-molesting-a-little-girl/
4. Bikers Against Child Abuse is not a "motorcycle club" or an "MC". It is formally known as "Bikers Against Child Abuse International" or "B.A.C.A. International" and the article should use that term.
   1. Sources:
      1. The organization is registered with the IRS under the name "B.A.C.A. International".
      2. B.A.C.A. trademarks are registered to "B.A.C.A. International".
      3. By comparison, traditional MCs tend to be incorporated under that name, e.g. "Hells Angels MC", "Outlaws Motorcycle Club, Inc.", "Pagan's Motorcycle Club, Worldwide, Inc.".

Happy to discuss the specifics more. —Tim Pierce (talk) 23:52, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 29-JUN-2019

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Regards,  Spintendo  02:03, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I propose removing the three subsections "Flight 577 incident", "Houston chapter pedophile" and "Texas child abuse scandal", and replace them with the following new section "Controversies" between "Membership" and "References":

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, a group of B.A.C.A. members were kicked off a Frontier Airlines plane preparing to leave Denver. One member, Darrell Sparti, approached a parent who had spanked his child on the flight and told him to stop, and an argument ensued. Following the argument, Frontier flight staff ordered both the family and the B.A.C.A. members off the plane, citing "the safety of the passengers."^{[1] [2]}

On March 18, 2009, the Cyber Crime Unit of the Texas Attorney General's office announced that David Wayne Garvey, a member of B.A.C.A. in Houston, had been arrested for possession of child pornography. Upon being notified of his arrest, the Houston chapter revoked Garvey's membership.^{[3] [4] [5] [6]} Garvey was sentenced on March 29, 2011, to 20 years on four counts of “Possession with intent promote child pornography”, Texas Penal Code 43.26(e). ^{[7] [8]}

Two members of the Sam Bass chapter of B.A.C.A. in Round Rock, Texas, Daniel Rodriguez and his wife Shirley Ann Rodriguez, were arrested on July 18, 2018, for 23 counts of abusing foster children in their care, including indecency with a child and injury to a child. ^{[9] [10] [11]} The Sam Bass chapter revoked the memberships for both Daniel and Shirley Ann Rodriguez upon learning of the arrests.^[12]

The reason for this change is to reduce the degree to which these incidents are given undue weight, without sweeping the incidents or the sources under the rug. —Tim Pierce (talk) 04:41, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]