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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by King4852 (talk | contribs) at 20:55, 13 April 2023 (→‎Requested move 10 April 2023: Reply). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Infobox

Template: Infobox legislative election versus Template: Infobox election has recently led to a small edit war and I think we should receive consensus about which to use. — RealFakeKimT 22:18, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There was a conversation before here, and there were a lot of conversations for the 2019 article when it was Next United Kingdom general election, both of which ended up in TILE being used. I think TILE is sensible to keep at least until the election is called. If using TIE, I am not keen at all on including the leader since and leader's seat parameters. Those are not key elements of the next general election, though who the leaders are is an important element. Ralbegen (talk) 21:02, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's not correct. Both TIE and TILE infoboxes are in use. Here are some upcoming Parliamentary-style elections using the Infobox legislative election format: Next Indian general election (the biggest democratic election in the world!), 2023 East Timorese parliamentary election, Next Albanian parliamentary election, Next Danish general election, Next Armenian parliamentary election, 2023 Guinea-Bissau legislative election, 2023 Mauritanian parliamentary election, 2026 Brazilian general election, Next Croatian parliamentary election, 2023 Guatemalan general election, 2021 Kyrgyz parliamentary election, Next Palestinian legislative election, 2024 Panamanian general election, 2024 Indonesian general election, 2023 Turkmen parliamentary election, 2023 Belarusian parliamentary election and many more. Bondegezou (talk) 10:39, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hancock

Does anyone have a source saying that he will not stand again, rather than that he will not stand again as a Conservative? Although his comments have been widely interpreted as saying he will not stand for palriament again, we are now on the second source that does not explicitly say so. And if that is the case, should he be on the list of those stepping down? Kevin McE (talk) 11:54, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Beckett-Timpson Conundrum

Now that Edward Timpson has also said he is standing down, we have an interesting conundrum for the “Members Not Seeking Re-election” section.

Under Margaret Beckett, we have listed the seat she currently represents, but under the First Elected column we have the earliest year she joined the Commons, despite it being a different constituency.

For Timpson, we have gone for both current seat and the start of his current period of service (December 2019) rather than the year he first joined the Commons in 2008.

A consistent approach is clearly needed. Preferences? OGBC1992 (talk) 18:46, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Don't see the problem. 'Seat' as a column header will only ever be expected by the reader to mean current seat; 'First elected' will only ever be taken to mean when they were first elected. If the intention is to show how long they have been in parliament continuously (excepting election periods), then the column header should read 'MP since..." or something similar. It would appear that whoever added Timpson either was unaware of his previous stint, or didn't note the text of the column header. So unless the column header is to be changed, Timpson should have the 2008 date (and has had since a couple of hours after your post). If indeed, the section has any merit at all (see my comment below). Kevin McE (talk) 09:35, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deselections

The deselections are starting to trickle in - at least three Conservatives plus Corbyn - and this should ideally be reflected here.

I would suggest including them in the "MPs not standing" table, with an extra column indicating the reason (retired, not selected, possibly others).

One hitch is that deselection doesn't necessarily mean not standing, but a note to this effect should be sufficient. (Of the MPs deselected so far, only Corbyn has hinted that he might fight on.)

Utilisateur19911 (talk) 07:45, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest not including them in the "MPs not standing" table, but having a separate section/sub-section for now, until it becomes clear who is definitely not standing under a different label. As well as the aforementioned, Labour MP Sam Tarry has been deselected too but hasn't yet made his future intentions clear. OGBC1992 (talk) 09:12, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for responding. Yes, I can see the point of a separate section - and I'd forgotten about Tarry. Utilisateur19911 (talk) 14:08, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly doubt the value of a not standing section at all: surely the principle of a limited term appointment is that there is no automatic assumption of continuing in the role beyond the end of that period, and the list of people who will not stand for election runs to scores of millions. But if it must exist, then yes, deselection (or voluntary self-removal from party consideration, which is all that Hancock had said) does not amount to not standing. Kevin McE (talk) 09:27, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's also a hitch that a lot of selection processes are badly reported as though the first set back is a deselection. The Conservative MPs so far have failed to be approved by the new association executives but are eligible to go forward to a members' meeting against other candidates. The process for Labour is similar but with a "trigger ballot" of branches rather than an executive vote. To add to the confusion at least one of the three Conservatives (Damian Green) was not applying to the new seat with the most of his current constituency's electorate. In 2019 Margaret Hodge had a similar setback, losing the trigger ballot and having to compete against other candidates but was not deselected.
The Corbyn situation is a mess with a lot of words, a lot of demand in all direction (including attempts by supporters to modify the rules to allow his party to stand him regardless of the whip situation) and a clear wish by Sir Keir that Corbyn would just announce a retirement and go away. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:09, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding the list! I think I want to turn this into a table like the above one, with one additional column describing what the MP in question has said they intend to do/did at the next election, in response to being deselected (retired, changed party, contested deselection, etc), but I can't think of a good column heading for the time being... "Subsequent MP career", "MP election plans", "Post-deselection changes", "MP response", or just maybe just plain but flexible "Notes"? EditorInTheRye (talk) 10:50, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Scheduling Conflict

Err, the lede currently says "The next United Kingdom general election is scheduled to be held no later than 24 January 2025", but the first section (Background) says "The next election is scheduled to be held no later than December 2024". 86.26.33.25 (talk) 21:48, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This supports the January date. Bondegezou (talk) 22:28, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Requested move 10 April 2023

Next United Kingdom general election → 2024 United Kingdom general election – Downing Street has revealed that it is to be held in autumn 2024, see this. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 21:54, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agree to move to 2024. --79.66.89.36 (talk) 22:21, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"No firm decision will be taken on an election date" and "provisionally circled" are not great reasons to move an article, are they? Ralbegen (talk) 22:30, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
From The Times - Number 10 "plans to go to the polls in the autumn [2024]". Tim O'Doherty (talk) 22:41, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think the wording of the article is far too certain about the date than it really should be, given that the only source is a single article based on anonymous reports. Usually the timing of an election is kept secret for as long as possible, to the strategic advantage of the ruling party, and reports like this occasionally show up as bluffs. N4m3 (talk) 23:16, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Even if this report turns out to be wrong, I still stand by my edits as they reflect sourced information. The Telegraph is an RS per WP:RSPSS, and other outlets like The Times are beginning to report on the story. I would like to say that the "no firm date" quote is evidence more of there not being a set time in autumn 2024 than there not being a set season or year. In any case, the election will most likely take place in 2024 (even Liz Truss admitted this). We can always revert the move, but right now, with the current sources (and likely many more to come over the week) the article title should reflect this. Cheers, Tim O'Doherty (talk) 23:38, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Definitely not yet because, as the article mentions, The Telegraph essentially said a May 2023 general election was a sure thing (definitely not happening). Plus, it's one source posting it as a paywalled "exclusive" - not what you'd expect if it was as certain as changing the page name would suggest. Nothing has yet happened that means it can't be 2023 or 2025, regardless of probability. -- Bacon Noodles (talk • contribs • uploads) 23:34, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as per WP:NCELECT and customary practice in Wikipedia. This election's date is not fixed, meaning it can legally be held at any time before 2025. Yes, a 2024 election is the most likely outcome, but assuming that a 2024 election will happen at this point would fall under WP:CRYSTALBALL. Plus, this wouldn't be neither the first occasion nor the first country in which some media point to an election in XXXX year, then a snap election being triggered at some other point. Further, the nom acknowledges himself above than "we can always revert the move" if the election happens to not be in 2024, so why should we move it then if we acknowledge ourselves than 2024 is not a certain thing? What's the need or rush for we to move it from a 100% accurate title abiding to naming conventions? Until it's legally impossible for an election not to be held in 2023 (or 2024, though the timeframe for it being held in 2025 is very short), "Next United Kingdom general election" is still a more accurate title than "2024 United Kingdom general election". Impru20talk 06:04, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I think a 2025 election is quite unlikely, but definitely still plausible until the general election is actually called. They may, for now, be planning to have an election in late 2024, but if something goes horribly wrong just before the government call it (like the financial crisis that stopped Brown), they'll push it back as far as possible – possibly to this latest date in January 2025. N4m3 (talk) 07:42, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose — Even if Conservative Party strategists are aiming for an election in autumn 2024, absolutely nothing binds them to this until an announcement is made from the steps of 10 Downing Street. It would be misleading to imply that the date is fixed when it is not. Utilisateur19911 (talk) 14:17, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose - per others. This is the kind of thing it's best to defer to primary sources for. There's always gonna be speculation, which doesn't always come true. I recall before the formal announcement of the date for King Charles's coronation, there was speculation it could occur on the 70th anniversary of Elizabeth II's, even in reliable sources. The only way we'll know it to be true is when the government (ie. primary source) announces the date/timeframe, and secondary sources will pick it up thereafter. Estar8806 (talk) 18:33, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I have a feeling it will be called before maybe in the autumn! 2A00:23EE:1678:43D9:7DCF:163B:3D9E:CC9C (talk) 11:19, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose anything is subject to change.
The election date hasn’t officially been announced and agreed with the sovereign.
until that happens it should remain as Next UK General Election. King4852 (talk) 20:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Date

Change article name to 2024 United Kingdom General Election 2A00:23C8:F81:D401:ACCC:7C4B:78B3:3F5D (talk) 22:05, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See RM above. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 22:08, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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