User talk:Brox: Difference between revisions

Dear Brox (lt - admin) / Dendrolo (de - editor) / Catbot (nl - sockpuppet) / Dendroloo (nl - sockpuppet) / Redagavimas (ltwikiquote/ltwikisource - admin) / SZLT (lt - sockpuppet) / Logos (lt - sockpuppet) / Savvour (lt - sockpuppet), I am sad to have to report to you that you can no longer edit on nl-wikipedia due to repeated mis-use of sockpuppets to do detrimental and wrong legal categorisations and edits on our version. Several editors (amongst which knowledgeable Dutch lawyers) and admins amongst which me have repeatedly tried to inform you, help you and ask you to stop, but it did not work out. We then blocked your sockpuppets and told you if you wished to continue contribution you should clean up your act first. This did not help either since you reactivated a next sockpuppet account you held and continued. You were informed on all the talk pages of the socks you used on nl-wiki here. I also understood with some of your socks you ran into similar problems on other wikiversions. On nl-wiki three checkusers had to be performed to get matters into the open. Also on meta level now a checkuser has been done since the problems were expanding. The additional results can be read here. I do seriously hope you can clean up your habits cross wiki, avoid further mis use of sockpuppets and perhaps constrain yourself cross wiki to one account only to avoid confusion and problems in the future. I do hope you can do this and contact me about this as all the problems you caused harm the wikimedia projects cross wiki and should come to an end either by your choice to change now or otherwise. I do hope to hear from you soon. I have informed you on your homewiki's of your most used accounts of this. Kind regards, MoiraMoira 14:46, 21. Jul. 2011 (CEST)

editors (amongst which knowledgeable Dutch lawyers)'...

? Who is "which knowledgeable Dutch lawyers"? --Brox 13:15, 21 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Sigh - you find some on the talk page of one of your sockpuppets with us here: nl:Overleg_gebruiker:Dendrolo. Can you please please promise to stop the misuse of sockpuppets cross wiki and please stop doing wrong or contested categorisations cross wiki now? MoiraMoira 17:43, 21 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

It is false ("editors (amongst which knowledgeable Dutch lawyers'"). There is n't lawyer in WP NL. --Brox 18:10, 21 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

OK then let me be absolutely clear here then: If you wish to risk to loose the adminships you hold and risk locking of all accounts you'd better stop all this nonsense cross wiki abusing socks in the process as well right now. I expect you to reply here so I know what must be done. MoiraMoira 18:56, 21 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Threat? It is not nice from your side... --Brox 06:58, 22 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Can you abide by wikipolicies or not? You provenly misused sockpuppets cross wiki to do wrong edits, to redo wrong edits and do obviously not understand *what* you did wrong and by continuing to do so you harmed the build up of the wikimedia projects. Are you willing to change your habits or not? MoiraMoira 07:22, 22 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

abide by wikipolicies? You write the wrong information: editors (amongst which knowledgeable Dutch lawyers)... Who is "which knowledgeable Dutch lawyers"? You provenly misused Metawiki! --Brox 07:41, 22 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

nl:Categorie:Jurist: Advocaat, Rechter etc.

Why did you do that: [1]?

nl:Categorie:Advocaat nl:Categorie:Rechter ‎ nl:Categorie:Notaris ‎ nl:Categorie:Openbaar aanklager ‎ to enter to -> nl:Categorie:Jurist... --Brox 07:47, 22 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

nl:Notarisklerk -> nl:Categorie:Notariaat

Why did you do that: [2]? "deze categorie is niet voor personen"... hm... --Brox 07:52, 22 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

nl:Testament (akte) -> nl:Categorie:Notariaat

Why did you do that: [3]

you misuses, s. Astrion: [4] --Brox 08:02, 22 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Can I now at least conclude from these weird edits above you indeed do not have any understanding what you did wrong cross wiki and thus it is impossible for you to abide by wikipolicies? Can I also now conclude you do not intend to stop your mis use of sockpuppets to get your compulsively driven edits across crosswiki? I am still trying to give you a way out you see and do my utmost best to help you see the light. Just answer me below whether you can stop yourself or not. A simple "yes I will stop" or "no I won't stop" suffices here. MoiraMoira 08:07, 22 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

wrong crosswiki? You not have any understanding what you did wrong with admin-rights in WP NL (with legal categorisation). --Brox 08:52, 22 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

As I tried to explain to you - this has not particularily to do with nl-wiki (where several admins were involved cleaning up matters you did wrong and blocked all your socks you misused for continuation) but with cross wiki problems who are similar everywhere like on nl-wiki. I take this is the answer "no I won't stop" so this leaves me no other choice than to take matters else where alas. Kind regards, MoiraMoira 10:58, 22 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

This a threat! ::A propos, You make mistakes and confuse (legal categorisation in WP NL). --Brox 11:56, 22 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

I have asked for input on your case here. Kind regards,MoiraMoira 08:10, 26 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Brox, I've been looking into the socking allegations, and see that they appear to be obsessive sock-hunting, as if having alternate accounts was Truly Bad in Itself. Your real and acknowledged socks on LT.wiki were blocked, in spite of a complete absence of disruption involving them.

It may be legitimate to have undisclosed socks, sometimes, but, especially for administrators, it's a Bad Idea, especially if they have any behaviors that cross over. To avoid future problems, I strongly suggest that you identify any socks you have with edits on any of the WMF wikis, if you have more than one account with edits, and explicitly connect them. It probably doesn't matter, though, if an account has no edits for years and especially if you have no other active account there. If you do, consider connecting them.

If an old account was blocked -- many users misbehaved in their early editing days -- it would be wise to communicate with 'crats on the wiki involved.(On en.wiki this would be ArbComm.) A wiki is foolish if it tosses away an editor who learned to be fully cooperative with the community, to the extent of being an administrator with the huge number of edits you have. But you'll have to make this decision, if it applies.

Meanwhile, there is no way to prove that you are *not* the users who were just blocked on lt.wiki. Checkuser can never do this. What happened with the meta CU is that Peter Symonds stated the basis for his conclusion, and described it as "likely." That judgment actually depends on the nature of the wiki. Since this was LT, it is utterly unremarkable that one might find users with the same "geolocation" in Lithuania! One of the NL wiki CUs said something quite similar: "Probable. Same Lithuanian mobile operator." I strongly suspect that the other CU reports there were similar in basis. They just didn't state the basis, though one of them implied it.

I'm astonished that NL issued blocks based on that, but it made a little more sense for NL wiki. Not much, since, if I'm correct, the articles involved had some Lithuanian connection. NL wiki seems to me like it's on a rampage, with lengthy IP blocks for no disruption, or only a couple of edits at worst. That's known to be damaging and next to useless.

Good luck. --Abd 17:38, 8 August 2011 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for Your Comments and Suggestion.

Yes, socks (for administrators) it's a Bad Idea.

P.S. I'm lt:q:user:Redagavimas (sysop WQ LT), lt:s:user:Redagavimas (sysop WS LT), lt:user:Brox (sysop WP LT), de:w:user:Dendrolo (Sichter WP DE), ru:w:user:Brox (autoeditor WP RU). In WP DE I was (and I want to be) de:Benutzer:Brox, but this hinder the de:Benutzernamensraum-Konventionen (rules of WP DE). If you can, please incorporate ("mergers") this all accounts to -> user:Magister iuris (not exist) (WP DE, WP LT, WQ LT and WS LT; if you can - do so global - in all wikis). Thank you. --Brox 08:11, 9 August 2011 (UTC)Reply