User talk:Madamebiblio

Wikipedia y alguien ha estado publicando INFORMACION FALSA, ponen a Concepción Morales de los Rios y Carrillo de Albornoz con fechas 1901-1918, fechas equivocadas también , ella por ser esposa del Presidente de España (En esas época era Presidente) como titular del Condado de Morales de los Rios, lo cual es FALSO, para quien sepa de historia, las leyes del Mayorazgo no fueron eliminadas hasta mediados del Siglo XX y el heredero a dicho titulo es José Joaquin de Morales y Ortiz de Zarate, su medio hermano mayor, la referencia que ponen es una pagina Cubana, que no publica nada relacionado, ni tiene autoridad para declarar nada sobre temas únicos de la Casa Real de España Burquizaruiz (talk) 13:48, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hola Madamebiblio,
Queríamos agradecerte por participar del concurso Latinoamérica en Wikidata 2022. Entre todos los aportes mejoraron más de 14 mil ítems en Wikidata sobre América Latina.
También queríamos felicitarte: ¡ganaste el segundo premio del concurso! Pronto nos pondremos en contacto con vos para organizar la entrega del premio.
Saludos,
Vic Sfriso (WMAR) (talk)

	Thank you for participating in the FindingGLAMs Challenge!
	By improving information about GLAM institutions on Wikidata, you made the Wikimedia projects better for everyone! Alicia Fagerving (WMSE) (talk) 14:20, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hola Madamebiblio,

Queríamos agradecerte por participar del concurso "Latinoamérica en Wikidata". Entre todos los aportes mejoraron más de 28 mil ítems en Wikidata sobre Latinoamérica.
Por otro lado, queríamos extenderte la invitación a participar de la WikidataCon que se llevará adelante los días 29, 30 y 31 de octubre. Para inscribirte puedes hacerlo en este link.
Saludos,
Constanza Verón (WMAR) (talk) 15:08, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Madamebiblio,

I just ran into these edits on Bob Halloran, the ABC Sportscaster. I am afraid you mixed up the ABC sportscaster with Bob Halloran, sportscaster at CBS. I will undo your edit now, but if you are sure I am the one who is mistaken, feel free to restore it. Thanks, RonnieV (talk) 03:21, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

alguna se me ha podido pasar iniciando en mayuscula. lo siento. Entiendo que las descripciones deben ser breves y concisas, pero en casos, creo que hay que aclarar, para evitar errores posteriores. Tomo nota de tu aviso Cruzate1492 (talk) 07:22, 25 March 2022 (UTC) trataré de seguir tus instrucciones. Cruzate1492 (talk)[reply]

¡Hola, Madamebiblio! Nos complace anunciarte que sos una de las tres ganadoras dentro de la categoría de Argentina del Concurso Wikidata por el Día Internacional de los Museos 2022. Felicidades y muchísimas gracias por tu invaluable contribución al conocimiento libre. Podés encontrar todos los resultados y ganadores aquí: Wikidata:Events/International Museum Day 2022/Results. El equipo de producción del Concurso se estará contactando a la brevedad para que puedas recibir tu premio. Si quisieras, podés usar la plantilla {{User IMD 22+}} en tu página. De nuevo, ¡muchas gracias por participar! --Angie Cervellera (WMAR) (talk) 14:40, 8 June 2022 (UTC) on behalf of Wikimedia Argentina[reply]

Hello, The pic is not Durbant but Wilson Isidor. I removed it. 87.231.232.87 10:48, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour 87.231.232.87 D'accord, la photo de Wilson Isidor devrait être supprimée de l'article. Madamebiblio (talk) 15:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour @Madamebiblio:,

Podrias tenir la gentileça de explicarme a cosa "no corresponde" mi minuscula contrebuçion?

Me refiero a la descripçion sobre de Fedele Fischetti (Q1399906):

Revision as of 23:39, 23 August 2022 (restore) (undo) (thank) Madamebiblio (talk | contribs) (‎Undo revision 1710961876 by Mr.Diaz (talk): no corresponde)

haga clic aquí para ver la diferencia: [1]

P.S. Disculpe mi castellano pero me pareçe una buena opportunidad para practicar y, possiblemente, ameliorarme. Si soy completamente obscuro en mi elocuçion, que me lo diga y podremo continuar en anglés, frances o italiano. Graçias. Mr.Diaz (talk) 14:56, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Salve Mr.Diaz, le descrizioni di persone in spagnolo e francese non hanno bisogno di date di nascita e di morte, per quelle ci sono gli elementi (con i riferimenti che lo confermano), anche se in italiano è possibile: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Description. Saluti e buoni contributi! Madamebiblio (talk) 19:32, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for your quick answer Madamebiblio but i can't see any rule in the guideline (already read, perhaps) which forbids it. Furthermore is not true what are you saying about french description. In the specific case (Fedele Fischetti) the main group of localized description (En/Fr/It/De etc.) include it.

  Maybe in WP-Es the majority decided to forbids it (do you mind to show where could be a track of that decision?) and, of course, i'll accept that. 

  As explained in the guideline, we could add some detail in the description if it exist as statement and is sourced (which is the case for the birthdate and deathdate of Fedele Fischetti); about length, adding two dates to a 2 words description is far under the limit suggested by the guideline "the proper length is between two and twelve words". But what seems to me useful in using the (birth year - death year) in the description, is to avoid, with a quick look, any misundertanding on people and/or in case of homonimy (which could be the case of Fedele).

  Saludos desde Francia! Mr.Diaz (talk) 15:59, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour Mr.Diaz, avete letto gli aiuti alla descrizione nelle diverse lingue? Ci sono differenze: aquí, ici e qui. Il modello e l'esempio. Anche l'omonimia viene risolta con descrizioni e riferimenti.

Si volete continuare a contribuire, "seems to me..." non funziona su nessun progetto Wikimedia. Mi raccomando, leggete i link nella vostra pagina di discussione. Un saludo. Madamebiblio (talk) 02:17, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for the links, very useful. But i still can't see in spanish guideline (neither in french one) where it's forbidden or, at least, not recommended. Anyway, it doesn't matter, i'll let as you think to be the best for WP-ES.

About my "seems to me..." i'm not expressing a POV about a fact, a person or whatever is in a WP Item. It's just my thought about the usefulness, for contributor AND users of WP, in using (birthdate-deathdate) in WD-description for explicit disambiguation (as used, since years, in several WP guidelines).

Have a nice day. Mr.Diaz (talk) 08:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.courthousenews.com/an-heir-to-the-fiat-fortune-hey/ 85.62.184.74 04:37, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Faltan declaraciones y referencias para el elemento sea correcto. Madamebiblio (talk) 04:46, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You won the 2nd place of the 2023 DACH Culture Contest for Wikidata's 10th Börthday in the category Libraries in Austria, Germany or Switzerland. Thank you for your amazing effort to enrich the data around libraries! We will be in touch regarding your prize soon! --Claudia.Garad (talk) 09:51, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I noted that this wiki's main characteristic is that it requires authors to use real names. That is the current truth. Several years ago, the emphasis was different. I would like to know why my edit was revoked. I don't want to get into an edit war, but I'm a little unhappy with the high-handed revocation of a quite reasonable edit. Harborsparrow (talk) 02:21, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hola, me disculpo por lo de poner mayúsculas en las descripcciones, simplemente me daba algo ver qué no iniciaba con mayúsculas (siento que es una falta ortografía) pero bueno toca seguir las reglas. Gracias por corregirme CheleAL (talk) 04:23, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Felicitaciones, Madamebiblio: Has resultado ganadora del segundo puesto en el Concurso Latinoamérica en Wikidata 2022 para mejorar la información sobre deportistas y lugares de América Latina. Para reclamar tu premio, te solicitamos que nos escribas a contacto@wikimediacolombia.org con una dirección de correo electrónico válida para poder enviarte tu tarjeta Amazon. Muchas gracias por ayudarnos a mejorar la información sobre deportistas y lugares de América Latina en Wikidata. ¡Te esperamos el año que viene!

Mónica (WMCO) (talk) 20:47, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Biblioteca Nacional de El Salvador" es el nombre propio de esta institución cultural; y es por eso que en español debe escribirse cada palabra de este nombre propio con inicial mayúscula, con excepción el artículo "de". Ruego dejarlo escrito de la forma correcta. Las reglas ortográficas del español deben respetarse en todos los lugares, incluso en un apartado de descripción de Wikidata. Saludos. 2800:B20:1113:321:7D14:40B1:ABF2:E6ED 03:35, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Las reglas ortográficas están bien usadas y aplicadas. Por favor aprender sobre la etiqueta, la descripción y los alias en Wikidata. Saludos. Madamebiblio (talk) 05:17, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hola, puedo saber por qué has revertido mi cambio en la descripción de Agustín Tapia? En la mayoría de jugadores de pádel está escrito "jugador/a profesional de pádel ----". JanRC30 (talk) 00:20, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hola, Template:JanRC30, porque si no fuera un deportista profesional, y por lo que se lo reconoce, no tendría relevancia para estar incluido en Wikidata. Estaba correcto, no se corrige lo que está bien, y agregar lo de profesional es una redundancia. Mira el elemento de Gattiker. Puedes leer sobre el estilo de las descripciones aquí. Lo necesario es que se encuentren completas las declaraciones de ocupación y deporte con una referencia que valide la información. Un saludo. Madamebiblio (talk) 00:49, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My edit, which you reverted without providing a reason, was because museums and other organizations generally aren't fixated to a location (as suggested by P131 and P625 statements), as opposed to a museum building. Museums may operate in multiple locations or in different locations at different times. P159 allows stating more accurately that this location information is for the venue where the museum mainly operates. P159 with P625 qualifier is similarly recommended for other type of organizations e.g. here. 2001:7D0:81FD:BC80:8960:6CFF:6FED:1555 18:20, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not reason because it does not correspond according to Wikiproject Museums. It is always preferable to use appropriate properties rather than qualifiers. Right now the museum has an only location, in the future information will be changed/updated. Madamebiblio (talk) 18:55, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Guidelines on this wikiproject page seem a little skweded or confusing. It seems these property suggestions are for both museums and museum buildings, but it isn't explicit which are for which. P159 is listed there as well and this is obviously for museum (organization). It also lists P276 (described as physical location in particular) which rather goes togehter with physical object, i.e. museum building or some other geographical object.

An item is for either museum (organization) or for museum building (or some other venue) as these are always different entities, and the data should be cleared up accordingly.

Sure, if accurate properties exist then let's use these for standalone statements instead of qualifiers. That's quite clearly not the case for P131 or P625 in organization item, though. 2001:7D0:81FD:BC80:957F:3744:C821:3C92 20:53, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do not delete the properties P131 and P625, you are eliminating possibilities of retrieving information about your country. Without geolocation, there are no maps either.

Add collaboarately instead of deleting. Madamebiblio (talk) 19:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I did not just delete the data. I moved it using more accurate properties/qualifiers. The data actually can be retrieved, both from qualifiers and also from another item linked via P159 if really necessary, both in Wikipedia and also via query.wikidata.org. If you use P131/P625 in such arbitrary way then it's easier to retrieve the data probably only for yourself, as other people who didn't add these as standalone statements in organization items are not expected to know about such use. Data duplication is also confusing as then at the end people don't know where the data should go and the data structure gets inconsistent.

What you now did in several organization items, despite concerns that I raised above, does not seem collaborative at all. An effort had been put into making the data structure accurate and clear, and therefore more intuitive and more easily usable. Often separate item already exists about the building where organization operates, e.g. see Tallinn English College (Q3739449) and Estonia puiestee 10 (Q106921447), and the data had been sorted accordingly. Now you just messed it up. P131 statements that you now added seem especially odd and meaningless in items like Estonian Red Cross (Q1370399) that definitely don't limit its operations to admin entity where the headquarters lies.

It appears you pretty much ignore the existence of P159 property. This property as said is documented even in museum wikiproject. As referenced it's also documented for other types of organizations. I didn't invent it. Also please note that many P625/P131 statements are preliminarily imported from Wikipedia and need further cleanup anyway. 2001:7D0:81FD:BC80:ECB0:B6D4:4893:5E4F 07:47, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was requested by user:Madamebiblio to participate on this discussion, because topic is related to Estonia. I not familiar with the rules set by Wikidata:WikiProject Museums. At first, I mentioned our problem there: Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Museums#Museum_as_a_building_vs_museum_as_an_institution Estopedist1 (talk) 19:35, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK, the exchange started with a museum but the deletion of properties affects all types of Estonian institutions (libraries, cultural organisations, companies, hotels, etc.) Madamebiblio (talk) 19:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I also guess that this is not Estonia-specific topic. Side-notice: it is unfortunate that the anonym has every day different IP, so it is really hard to keep eye on items which have been changed Estopedist1 (talk) 21:43, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is also about other types institutions and comparison to other types of institutions (organizations) should give us better understanding of the issue. This is what I already tried to convey above. In case of a museum, i.e. an institution that often operates an individual building and collections inside this building, it always isn't clear at first glace if its Wikidata item is about institution or building, or the data about the two even may be conflated in a messy way. I understand that in this case P131/P625 statement may not look overly odd in institution item.

On the other hand for other types of institutions, like companies or cultural organization like artists' union, and not only these in Estonia, P131/P625 statement usually and contrary to what you suggest actually isn't there for obvious reasons outlined above. This should bring us to understanding that something is wrong with these certain museum items, not the other way around. Operations of museums may be generally somewhat more localized than these of other types of institutions but in essence they all belong the same broad category of organizations that is expected to have similar organization specific data structure.

As already pointed out, the fact that museum (organization) items often have standalone P625/P131 statement doesn't not in itself necessarily mean that these statements are correct or intentional. As with any other data in Wikidata, often it is imported from Wikipedia in a messy way and just needs further cleanup.

You once again revert claiming that property is used at Wikiproject Museums. As already indicated above, I don't see an issue with using P131 in this wikiproject. The issue is that you conflate the data about institution and the data about building. If the item is about museum building then by all means use P131. If the item is about museum institutions then however it isn't clear what P131 statement is really about.

I'd like emphasize once again that P159 property exists so that the location where the organization mainly operates can be provided in an accurate and clear way. As already pointed out this is also documented in museums wikiproject and its use with P625 qualifier is documented for other type of organizations (companies) in particular. Therefore I don't see a justification for your blunt, uncollaborative and deceivingly worded demands like "Stop deleting properties" (once again, I only cleared up the data structure using accurate properties, or I only dealt with messily duplicated data, I did not delete the actual data). 2001:7D0:81FD:BC80:B43D:53A4:254A:B69D 08:31, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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In regard to Special:Diff/Q609471, there are two items, Tallinn (Q1770) for the settlement, and Tallinn City (Q4450503) for the coextensive municipality (administrative entiy). So, in case it really wasn't obvious, hence my correction to located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) value. With either value your arbitrary use of standalone P131 statment is still problematic due to reasons outlined above and as per existing documention referenced above, though. 2001:7D0:81FD:BC80:9C02:AAB2:910D:CB6B 08:44, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ya he leído las instrucciones y así lo haré. Gracias por la información. Mdelt (talk) 16:53, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Están todas con minúsculas. Las revisaré por si hubiera olvidado alguna Mdelt Mdelt (talk) 18:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sí, algunas ya las había editado antes de contactarte. Por favor no olvidar de colocar la nacionalidad cuando son personas. Madamebiblio (talk) 18:34, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Revisado. Mdelt

De principio al final, espero que no me olvidé de nada. Mdelt (talk) 18:27, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gracias @Mdelt por tomar a bien las sugerencias y corregir tus ediciones para que los elementos sean óptimos en español. Para que tus ediciones puedan ser más positivas y recuperables sería conveniente que no usaras es-formal, solamente es. Cualquier duda, a disposición. Un saludo. Madamebiblio (talk) 04:28, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

De acuerdo. Así lo haré. No usaré es-formal. Un saludo. Mdelt (talk) 10:54, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted, what i wrote, (Q84560767) ¿Quién será? - Wikidata

Q84560767) and (Q962175), they are about the same song.

¿Quién será? Spanish original, English version: Sway

¿Quién será? original español, versión en inglés: Sway

I shouldn't have reversed, for a Wikidata user to fix the problem. Thank you. 186.97.0.34 03:22, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hola, las descripciones y los alias tienen un estilo a seguir, lo que incorporó en la descripción y en alias no sigue el estilo habitual. Las relaciones de similitud se establecen mediante las declaraciones. Un saludo. Madamebiblio (talk) 04:33, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"es:¿Quién será?" página en español. La duplicidad se presenta en 14:04, 7 February 2020‎ Moebeus, cuando se creó Q84560767, existiendo en Wikidata Q962175 enlazada entre otras a página en inglés "en:¿Quién será?". Obvio, esta canción ¿Quién será? es de origen mexicano 1953, pero tiene versiones en inglés con el nombre Sway. Tanto la original en español y otras versiones en este idioma, como las versiones en inglés tienen renombre. Gracias y saludos.186.97.0.34 05:29, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sway es una adaptación, por ello tiene otro elemento y no se fusionan. La confusión es que Wikipedia en inglés no ha nombrado el artículo Sway y mantiene el nombre en español. Igualmente es @Moebeus quien puede dar mayores presiones sobre el tema ya que integra el Wikiproyecto Música. Un saludo. Madamebiblio (talk) 06:10, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok., pero la página de discusión de @Moebeus no la encuentro.

El artículo en inglés es claro, que ¿Quién será? es la original e inicia así: "¿Quién será?" is a bolero-mambo song written by Mexican composers Luis Demetrio and Pablo Beltrán Ruiz.[1][2] Beltrán recorded the song for the first time with his orchestra in 1953. Pedro Infante, for whom the song was written, recorded it in 1954.

El artículo en español es claro, que existe una versión llamada Sway e inicia así: «¿Quien será?» es un mambo compuesto en 1953 por los mexicanos Pablo Beltrán Ruiz y Luis Demetrio.1​ La versión en inglés se titula Sway.

Canciones similares, están enlazadas con una misma página Wikidata. Yo estaba en la web, y no sabía que estaban relacionadas y Wikidata no las enlazaba. Sabía de ¿Quién será? en español, al escucharlas me di cuenta que existía una versión en inglés llamada Sway. Es más, algunas versiones de esta canción mezclan letra en ingles y español, sobre la misma canción, como la versión Sway cantada por en:Rosemary Clooney y acompañada por la orquesta del cubano Dámazo Perez Prado en 1960. Solo informativo lo anterior, de todos modos, gracias nuevamente.186.97.0.34 12:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My name was mentioned 3 times and now I'm here :) How can I be of assistance? Moebeus (talk) 13:43, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Moebeus and welcome here. Could you explain to the IP user why you have created a second element (Q84560767) and not a merge with Q962175, please? Gracias y saludos. Madamebiblio (talk) 14:18, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have an IP, I don't have access to your discussion page:

The subject, the pages in English and Spanish of "¿Quién será?" They must have the same Wikidata page (not two, as it happens: Q962175 and Q84560767). Similar songs are linked to the same Wikidata page (Original song in Spanish and other versions in Spanish and English).

"es:¿Quién será?" page in Spanish. The duplicity occurs, when Q84560767 was created, existing in Wikidata Q962175 linked, among others, to the English page "en:¿Quién será?". Obviously, this song, ¿Quién será? it is of Mexican origin 1953, but it has versions in English with the name Sway. Both the original in Spanish and other versions in this language, as well as the English versions are renowned.

There are several examples in Wikidata, one mentioned, about the song en:Quando m'innamoro known in English as a version with the name "A Man Without Love", all mentioned under the same page. The pages: es:Quando m'innamoro (canción) in Spanish, it:Quando m'innamoro in Italian (Language of the original song), link to the same Wikidata Q15989251. Thank you. 186.97.0.34 14:38, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think this might be a misunderstanding: On Wikidata each translation gets its own item, we don't group many different version in one "super item" like you see on Wikipedia? If you find a Wikidata item that covers several different versions of a song, or mixes song and single - that just means we haven't had the time to fix it yet. Moebeus (talk) 21:52, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's the same for books, poems, etc. as well - each translation has a separate Wikidata item. Moebeus (talk) 21:56, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be grouped, it's easier to understand a specific composition and its most relevant versions (music). Being separated makes it much more difficult for Wikipedia readers to understand the relationship. Thank you for your attention. 186.97.0.34 22:15, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata is very different from Wikipedia, for us on WD grouping creates more problems than it solves :)

However, if your goal is simply to group all the interwiki links so it looks nice on Wikipedia, then that can be achieved in a non-destructive way by setting up redirect pages and attaching those to the relevant WD items. Hope that helps. Moebeus (talk) 23:27, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't quite understand what you're saying. It is assumed that: the final function of Wikimedia is the reader. And Wikidata is also a tool for the reader; If you are researching a topic, and if what is stated on the page you are reading is not enough, through the interwiki, find out what it says about the topic in another language. Thank you. 186.97.0.34 01:09, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hola, Madamebiblio: He visto algunas reversiones que me has realizado en algunas páginas. ¿Me puedes explicar por qué no son cambios válidos? Si eres tan amable, también me gustaría entender cómo puedo realizar los cambios para que puedan permanecer.

Muchas gracias de antemano, Saludos, Hispame (talk) 19:25, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]