Commons:Categories for discussion/2021/02/Category:Batman and his cast

This should be merged to Category:Batman, and the disambig on that page turned into subcats. "and his cast" is important in principle, but not for the coverage of this topic. Mike Peel (talk) 19:32, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What should it be merged to? The phrase "and his cast" is used for dozens of categories of characters that have supporting casts for which there are enough files needing subdivision, as seen here and here. What do you want it merged to? Nightscream (talk) 19:37, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Nightscream: Very odd, how did that naming convention come about? I think my initial proposal was quite clear about what I think it should be merged to. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:07, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mike Peel: I created it myself. Since I'm responsible for much of the categorization structure related to comics-related files on the Commons, I did so, IIRC, to address how supporting characters could be organized into groups according to a "parent" character.

I apologize if I was not aware of your proposal. Was this proposal on a different page? Can you link me? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 21:01, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Nightscream: Sorry, by 'proposal' I meant the 'This should be merged to' sentence at the start of this discussion, which defines what I think should happen. But Themightyquill's proposal of '(franchise)' would also make sense, but there should still then be a category that is just 'Batman' as a character. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:28, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I count 23 three of these "and his cast" pages, not including Category:Hulk and his cast which has already been redirected to Category:Hulk. This style has also produced the somewhat confusingly titled Category:2 Broke Girls and his cast.Could we rename them Category:Batman (franchise) like Category:Terminator (franchise) or Category:Godzilla (franchise), and like en:Batman (franchise) for that matter ? - Themightyquill (talk)

Regarding the "franchise" idea, how do you feel that is an improvement? Many of these characters are not part of "franchises".

Regaridng "just 'Batman' as a character', what type of files would go into such a category, if not the ones in the current subcats? Nightscream (talk) 14:07, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Here are my reasons:

1. There are a great many "franchise" categories that exist, and contain media related to franchises (minor characters, actors, etc) revolving around books, films, etc. Moving to franchise would follow that larger pattern, and give these "and his cast" categories a logical parent category (Category:Media franchises).
2. It also matches with the wikipedia article at en:Batman (franchise).
3. It also allows for subcategories that are not specifically for the character batman or his associated characters, which are currently in Category:Batman and his cast.

Can you offer any reasons why "and his cast" is preferable for Batman, not to mention 2 Broke Girls? - Themightyquill (talk) 21:39, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging people as this discussion has not been resolved. @Themightyquill: , @Mike Peel: , @Nightscream: . Sahaib (talk) 20:21, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A category dedicated to Batman and a category dedicated to every single character in the Batman universe is two completely different subjects. --Trade (talk) 22:50, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

surely each character should have its own category page.

cat:batman for batman the character. cat:Alfred Pennyworth for Alfred Pennyworth. and so on.

now, how do we make this connection between the two characters in terms of cat tree?

perhaps, we can use the model from Category:People by association.

then cat:Alfred Pennyworth is put under "characters associated with Batman".

we will put a hatnote in "characters associated with Batman" to make sure only the most relevant characters are put under this, rather than any one having even a brief interaction with batman or other major characters that have encounters with batman (e.g. superman). RZuo (talk) 06:09, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]