Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Monument to the Conquerors of Space

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Files in Category:Monument to the Conquerors of Space

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Derivatives of a sculpture erected in 1964. No FoP in Russia.

A.Savin 12:09, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: Per nom High Contrast (talk) 17:11, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:Monument to the Conquerors of Space

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No FoP in Russia for non-architecture. No known date of undeletion.

russavia (talk) 18:33, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted as per all above. russavia (talk) 18:35, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:Monument to the Conquerors of Space

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No COM:FOP in Russia for artwork. Abzeronow (talk) 19:10, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Obvious cases (under review)

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Possibly de minimis

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But the photo was taken in Russia. DS (talk) 18:55, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly below ToO

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Can be cropped and used

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Other cases

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  • File:Monument to Tsiolkovsky.jpg Not sure this file is related to this case. Sculptor apparently died in 1952, so a different undeletion date would probably be needed, in any case.

Suggestions of undelections

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Discussion

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@Abzeronow: I've been cropping the museum tower out of the images, but if I well understood, if it's part of the building, it's OK under FOP-Russia. Do you know if that tower is a building, as it seems to be? If this is the case,  Keep for all the remaining files (and I'll possible do less aggressive crops in some of the images I've cropped).-- Darwin Ahoy! 04:58, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not an expert, but I think we can  Keep the remaining files. Abzeronow (talk) 05:03, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@DarwIn: , what was the point of trimming the photos like here? Most of the structure is still there, it's still recognizable ("I know it when I see it"), so the bulk of "copyrightable parts" was unchanged. But now the photographer looks like someone who couldn't frame a simple snapshot and the snapshot itself became unusable. So, even if commons policy says that cutting out one small part is enough (does it?), it's worse than deletion. Retired electrician (talk) 11:08, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Retired electrician: The tower seems to be part of the building of the museum, so the only issue would be the spacecraft at the top, which would turn the whole building into a big sculpture, so I tried that approach to keep the file, as the rest of the artworks in that photo seems to be de minimis. the fact is that initially this looked like a clearcut case of no-FoP violation, with a lot of new uploads to clean, and I started doing the task, until I realized that the whole thing is a building, a museum. If this is correct, I believe we must reevaluate not only these pictures, but the ones that were deleted before, since apparently what we are seeing is the tower of a building with a sculpture at the top (possibly de minimis?). Anyay, sorry for the (well intended) mess, I'll start reverting the speedy eliminations. -- Darwin Ahoy! 15:32, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently the tower is indeed a sculpture, and the museum building below is accessory to it, so it can't be kept as architecture. I'll try to separate this DR into the obvious cases that can be deleted without much issue, and the ones that can be evaluated separately as de minimis, that can be saved by cropping out copyrighted parts, etc.-- Darwin Ahoy! 15:46, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@A.Savin: Restored them all, and reverted my crops, so that the people at Wikivoyage can easily transfer them to there. I've also separated the obvious cases from other cases that may be covered by our policies here and kept, and also added some suggestions of files that can be restored and adapted accordingly.-- Darwin Ahoy! 21:35, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@A.Savin: @DarwIn: Is there much point saving them for wikivoyage? because each picture has to be actually illustrated on a page directly related to it in order to be fair use. I'm not saying mine's the best one or anything, but clearly we can't have all of them on wikivoyage, is my reading of the usage protocol there, what do we think? --E.3 (Talk to Dr Peter James Chisholm). I sometimes don't understand rules, and I think abstractly. [2] 06:52, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what files they wanted to transfer (probably not all), maybe Atsirlin or Ymblanter know more --A.Savin 12:47, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, indeed, we only transfer those which can immediately be used in articles and lists of cultural heritage (typically one per monument, two in exceptional cases if both could be used).--Ymblanter (talk) 12:53, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
My suggestion would be to keep the one from the 1970s for wikivoyage, but only because I'm quite clearly a bit of fan of heritage work --E.3 (Talk to Dr Peter James Chisholm). I sometimes don't understand rules, and I think abstractly. [3] 06:58, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Namely, this one. --E.3 (Talk to Dr Peter James Chisholm). I sometimes don't understand rules, and I think abstractly. [4] 07:00, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. --JuTa 15:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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