Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:UEFA Cup trophy

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Files in Category:UEFA Cup trophy

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COM:DW of a copyrighted trophy.

LGA talkedits 10:30, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it copyrighted? Please provide proof.--Anatoliy (talk) 10:38, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Proof not necessary, the trophy is a work of art why would it not be copyrighted ? LGA talkedits 10:48, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We should know who is author or copyright holder. Copyright protection ends after 50 or 70 years after authors death, so we should know author.--Anatoliy (talk) 10:51, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The trophy was designed by Silvio Gazzaniga (who is still alive) and is less than 50 years old. LGA talkedits 10:56, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It was designed by Alex Diggelmann who died in 1987 but was made by Silvio Gazzaniga.--62.159.116.133 11:13, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Either way still in copyright. LGA talkedits 20:40, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Article 21 of Ukrainian copyright law is their Fair Use section, section 4 is limited only to "present current events" and "to the extent justified by the informational purpose;" which are not compatible with the requirements of COM:L so we cant rely on it as we cant host a file here (maybe over at enwp). Overall the images you list don't meet the De minimis Guidelines, specificity "Copyrighted work X is a key part of the subject (eg it is the reason for taking the photo). Removing it would make the derivative work radically different" and of the five "test" listed all but one of the ones you list tick four (the except File:Willy van der Kuijlen.jpg which does not have the name in title but other wise ticks three out of five). LGA talkedits 03:30, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I do know that this is limited to informative purposes. Could you please explain for which purpose you can use this particular trophy in this particular contest? This is not about UEFA Cup as a work of art. This is about UEFA Cup as a trophy for winning the tournament called UEFA Cup. In the context of those pictures the trophy serves exclusively to information purposes: to inform that this particular player has one the trophy for the particular tournament (UEFA Cup). You cannot use this trophy as a work of art for any other purpose as it is completely impossible (insufficient resolution, not in focus poor quality, important part covered by the player). You can use this picture for any purpose as COM:L requires, but the trophy can hardly be used for any purpose than informative. If you replace the work by Gazzaniga by any other trophy that would have been awarded for the victory in UEFA Cup, these photos would pefectly fulfill its purpose, which perfectly corresponds to the informative purpose — NickK (talk) 05:08, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As the Ukraine FOP page points out article 21 section 4 is is not general freedom of panorama but a "fair use"-like provision and commons can't rely on it for hosting. The trophy is not incidental in any of the pictures and it is the reason for why the pictures were taken. LGA talkedits 09:25, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A trophy as a work of art is incidental: there was no intention to picture this particular work by Gazzaniga. An object awarded for the victory in UEFA Cup, however, is not incidental and this photo is focused on informative side of the UEFA Cup trophy instead of artistic side. There was no intention from the photographer to picture this particular trophy, his intention was to picture an object awarded for the victory in UEFA Cup. If not a trophy designed by Gazzaniga, but, say, Viktoria-Pokal had been awarded for the victory, the photo would not have lost its value — NickK (talk) 15:56, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that a work of art is used as an award in no way detracts from the fact it is a copyright work of art and to host a image of it as free on commons we need the permission of the copyright holder, which I assume is UEFA. LGA talkedits 21:34, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This is important for COM:DM: if this work of art would have been replaced with another object awarded for victory, this picture would not have lost its value. If these players were displaying the work of art, they would have done it differently, and photographer would have focused on the work of art instead of the player. This perfectly fits Ukrainian exception for informative purposes in case of Tymoshchuk and COM:DM for Coerver and van der Kuijlen, as all these photos do not display work in sufficient detail — NickK (talk) 22:04, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As the trophy is a key part in all of these images the trophy can not be considered De minimis. The fact that the governing body chooses to award a copyright trophy is up to them. LGA talkedits 01:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A key part is a player, not a trophy (all pictures contain names of the relevant players), a cup is an attribute of the player which is used here for informative purposes. I hope you would not delete a picture of a king or a queen because his/her crown is copyrighted, as this would be a picture of a king or queen, not a picture of the crown. This is the similar case: a player is pictured with copyrighted attribute which is COM:DM to the player. Without this, how can you picture the fact that a player or a team has won the trophy? — NickK (talk) 13:18, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That's why there are fair use rules to allow such images to be captured, however such fair use pictures can't be hosted on commons due to COM:L. LGA talkedits 19:59, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's why COM:DM exists that effectively allows to picture people even if a small part of picture is taken by a copyrighted object, if this object is in insufficient detail and/or quality and/or is out of focus. These four images satisfy this requirement — NickK (talk) 20:27, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I am going to stop debating this now, COM:DM does not and can not apply here, the copyrighted work is far more than incidental in all of the images. LGA talkedits 08:04, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: The cup is clearly not DM in any of these images. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 23:39, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.

Files in Category:UEFA Cup trophy

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COM:DW, derivative work of a possibly copyrighted 3D object

Ytoyoda (talk) 20:37, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep File:15.05.29-Recepción Sevilla FC-3 (18242553251).jpg. Per Commons:De minimis. In any case I am not opposed to a crop cutting off half trophy if the point can come across more nicely.--Asqueladd (talk) 20:41, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: Com:DM can't be applied, the trophy is a major part of both photographs. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 09:59, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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