Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Lovelovelove681

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Files uploaded by Lovelovelove681 (talk · contribs)

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Small size professional images of showbiz people, only 2 with EXIF data, user blocked for repeated violations, probable copyright violations. I suspect the images which were reviewed to be license washing on some blogs.

Yann (talk) 14:02, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think we need more evidence here. The images come from different blogs at Tistory and most of them seem to be watermarked with the names of the particular blogs. I've checked a random sample of these with TinEye and didn't get any results, so if they were cross-posted from somewhere else this must have been very recently. The only common technical feature for these is that they appear to have been processed with Photoshop, but that may have been the watermarking. De728631 (talk) 15:18, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I note a number of copyright violation deletion notices on en wp. It certainly seems possible that files have been uploaded here simply because there is more chance of getting away with them here... More investigation required however this (mostly) seems like PR images which could be licensed via OTRS IF they were legit. --Herby talk thyme 15:52, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Without access to the deleted content on en wp it's hard to be sure however in a couple of cases at least the content seems remarkably similar to content uploaded here. And I failed to see anything wrong with the deletion rationale on en wp. These look very like stolen PR images. If they were not then - as I said above - they could happily be hosted if OTRS permission were provided. Still looking --Herby talk thyme 16:12, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

*hello. I'm just here helping the person and pass the message. Those photos were taken by fans and have been added watermark. The fans who uploaded those photos on Tistory have given their permission: free to share,remix and attribution. The user wanted to give explanation but was blocked. Billybllybia (talk) 16:55, 16 April 2017 (UTC) [reply]

• Hi, the images that uploaded to Tistory blogs are photos taken by fans. Therefore, there are watermakings in their photos to indicate the ownership of photos. However, the fans who uploaded their photos have also given their permission of usage: Free to Share, Remix and Attribution.

For example: the authour Kimetc uploaded her photos here: http://kimetc.tistory.com/270 If you click on the copyright logo (bottom left corner near the last photo) it will direct you to this link which displays the authorisation of usage, indicating the fans gave free permission to share her photos: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.ko

I hope this clarifies the situation and that you'll reconsider your decisions. Would appreciate if you would at least unblock my friend (Lovelovelove681) so that she can clarify further should you need more info. Loneranger9 (talk) 17:44, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think @-revi: can help here. Rodrigolopes (talk) 20:25, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This is my boilerplate answer: User:-revi/Tistory. — regards, Revi 06:24, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. These pics are taken by fans and they have given permission to share these pics.

The fans who uploaded their photos on Tistory are given their permission: Free to Share, Remix and Attribution.

For example: the authour Kimetc uploaded her photos on here: http://kimetc.tistory.com/270"]http://kimetc.tistory.com/270 (The Authorization at the left bottom corner, near the last photo). If you click on the copyright logo it will direct you to this link

Therefore, the fans gave the free permission to share her photos.

And another thing, just because this pic looks professionally taken, that doesn't means these were not taken by fans. Fans do have high end professional camera and therefore they can take pictures with professional quality.

Do not under estimate the fans.

Can you please unblock lovelovelove681 and gives her a chance to explain this her self.

I have struck through several identical canvassing comments made by likely sockpuppets. Endless repetitions won't improve your argument. De728631 (talk) 21:12, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, first of all, the comments are not sockpuppets. Lovelovelove681 asked other fans for help at a forum (I'll even link my profile: https://onehallyu.com/user/29783-indiiea/), since there has been a misunderstanding and we other fans just want to clarify the situation.

Lovelovelove681 has uploaded pictures of Kpop group Sechskies, taken by fans. It is common in Kpop that fansite masters follow their idols and take photos of them. Here is a link to a site explaining this: http://beyondhallyu.com/k-pop/just-pretty-picture-kpop-fandom-fansite-culture/ Many of these pictures tend to look professional, taken with pro cameras. That's why they might be mistaken for PR ones. Here's even a post about how expensive cameras fansite owners have! http://kpopkfans.blogspot.com/2014/06/k-netizens-argue-about-idol-fans-with.html Fansite masters then usually edit them in photshop (fixing colors, does editing etc.) and watermark them. That is why you will see that they've been edited in photoshop. Then the fans upload them for the enjoyments of other fans, and these sites in question has allowed the pictures to be shared, and that's why Lovelovelove681 uploaded them.

Here is a example of a famous group and some of it's most popular fansites: http://pann-choa.blogspot.com/2016/07/instiz-top7-most-followed-idol-fansites.html ; http://www.instiz.net/pt/3929346 You can also see the kind of photos they upload and their quality.

This is all a huge misunderstanding and I don't want to fight, just explain. Also, if you unblocked Lovelovelove681 I'm sure they could provide you links to the fansite owner's twitters etc. with more proof that the pictures are not official ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.73.188.146 (talk • contribs)

Dear admin, I am not a sockpuppet. You should properly check and verified before assuming a valid argument as a sockpuppet.

You said you need more evidence, unblock lovelovelove681 and she'll give you a proper evidence.

I'm going to repeat my comment since you've deleted it; To assume some pics are not taken by fans just because it has a high quality is not a really valid justification

Dear WikiMedia admin,

Can you please take your time to review the image with the link and explanation that has been provided by the previous user? I'm going to explain again since you already deleted the comments. This image was taken from Tistory blogs and yes this photo was taken by fans.

You can see that the authour Kimetc uploaded her photos there and this is the link: http://kimetc.tistory.com/270

You can easily click the copyright logo on bottom left near the last photo and it will direct you to the link regarding the authorization of using and re-uploading this photo. If you don't understand the language, there's a technology called Google Translate you can easily use it to translate the whole page and do the skim reading. I hope you take your time to review this.

P.S : they're not sockpuppet. they were trying to explain that this user has the right to upload this image here so please take your time to verify this image

I am the person who took pictures of the 170119 SMA. This person can upload my pictures to the Wiki file.If you have any further questions please send mail. 0608yj@gmail.com

  • For info I've started a dialogue with the user here after an email. I still see these in the main as professional images lacking EXIF data and proper permission however we do need to explore this. Thanks --Herby talk thyme 07:21, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Additionally - reading through the comments above - a simple answer from fans wishing their pictures to be hosted here, is to upload them themselves here in larger size, with some EXIF and proper permission not via a third party hosting site - that would be far clearer/more satisfactory. --Herby talk thyme 07:24, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK - some more. I found @-revi: 's posting extremely helpful. It is obvious from this and other research that licensing from this site is somewhat less than clear. I still genuinely see some of these as being likely copyvios due to size, lack of EXIF and other issues. However it also seems quite possible than some of these could quite easily be genuinely licensed quite easily. There is more to look at here and I have no more time for now. --Herby talk thyme 11:48, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I usually just leave link to my help page, but my opinion on this particular case is that most of the images are genuine work of the original uploader on Tistory. The composition of the images suggests it's not official images of the agency - likely taken in the middle of the audience. Actually it requires some understanding of how Korean pop industry works, but I know people here don't want to go deep inside here. Obvious copyvios are however found : File:SechsKies SK2.jpg matches TV Chosun, File:160911 YN.jpg - JTBC, File:SechsKies SK.jpg - Chosun Ilbo. I !vote for delete for those obvious copyvios, and keep rest of them. — regards, Revi 13:54, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi I'm helping this person Lovelovelove681 . Maybe she forgot to mention on you guys . About some picture from magazine of she upload on Wikipedia. But some of picture are from the blogs she shared . . If you would like unblock her .. she will give you guys a proper explanation before you block her . Thank . I'm just only helping her . I don't really want to have a fight here . Thank Lyfersadat (talk) 14:40, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment I have speedied the three clear copyvios pointed out by -revi. - Reventtalk 16:20, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: based on -revi's analysis. --Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) 09:10, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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