Commons:Deletion requests/Maps of A Song of Ice and Fire

• File:Crown Lands, The Seven Kingdoms, Westeros.png
• File:Dorne, The Seven Kingdoms, Westeros.png
• File:Game of Thrones Complete Map.png
• File:Game of Thrones World Map and Cities.png
• File:Game of Thrones World Map.png
• File:Game of throwns new7 one layer.svg
• File:Map of Essos.png
• File:Map of Known World He.png
• File:Map of Known World.png
• File:Map of Known World.svg
• File:Map of main houses of Westeros He.png
• File:Map of Westeros.png
• File:Map of Westeros.svg
• File:Riverlands, The Seven Kingdoms, Westeros.png
• File:Seacht Ríocht Iartharais.png
• File:Stormlands, The Seven Kingdoms, Westeros.png
• File:The Iron Islands, Westeros.png
• File:The North, The Seven Kingdoms, Westeros.png
• File:The Reach, The Seven Kingdoms, Westeros.png
• File:The Seven Kingdoms Location.svg
• File:The Vale, The Seven Kingdoms, Westeros.png
• File:The West, The Seven kingdoms, Westeros.png
• File:Vestero Esperanta.png
• File:Westeros Location.svg
• File:WESTEROS.tif

According to Commons:Fan Art § Re-drawing does not avoid copyright infringement,

It is important to understand that you do not avoid copyright infringement merely by re-drawing an existing copyright work, even if you introduce artistic additions or embellishments of your own. For example, if you redraw the map illustrations depicted in the novel The Lord of the Rings you infringe their copyright just as certainly as if you had photocopied them.

These maps listed here are maps of A Song of Ice and Fire / Game of Thrones. --痛^Designism (talk) 12:33, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep: In most jurisdictions, re-drawing does avoid copyright infringement, but yeah, most doesn't mean all. That's fair use, IMHO... anyway, if they're found uneligible, I would suggest to move these valutable files to en.wiki instead of completely losing them. Est. 2021 (talk) 13:01, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use has never been allowed on Commons. But yeah, I do think there's value in moving the files to Enwiki.--痛^Designism (talk) 16:12, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note that most of these pictures are from A Wiki of Ice and Fire, where they are licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0. In addition, since you shared a quote about The Lord of the Rings, note that Commons already hosts hundreds of maps of fictional places, including maps of Middle-earth. Est. 2021 (talk) 13:08, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Uploading from that Wiki is effectively Commons:License laundering. And yes, those suspicious fiction maps based on fictional worlds should also be removed. --痛^Designism (talk) 16:12, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep At least for some of them. To my knowledge redrawing, recreating or drawing alike (in particular of 2d) is not a copyright violation in general as pointed out above. I'm not sure whether it makes sense to require it not being an potential infringement in any conceivable jurisdiction. In other cases Commons usually keeps everything which is at least not an infringement with a warning label of jurisdiction that differ. Also it seems to me instead of list this needs to be done on a case by case basis. The redrawing/recreating issue is completely different from the license laundering issue. The latter requires no deletion but just an according adjustment of the licenses.Kmhkmh (talk) 04:04, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"redrawing, recreating or drawing alike (in particular of 2d) is not a copyright violation in general" it depends on the fidelity and local law. Tracing images with pencil in a library might be ok, but making a detailed SVG map is beyond innocent for me. -- 痛^Designism (talk) 22:07, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This has nothing to do with "innocence" or supposed "bad intent" or whatever, but that is many jurisdictions such 2D reproductions are not a copyright infringement (and not everybody reads all commons policies before uploading something he assumes to be appropriate anyhow). Now if all of these maps indeed seem to be reproductions or are based on reproductions of a drawing that was published elsewhere under a share alike licence, then imho easiest and least disruptive solution is to adjust the licences accordingly here. I don't really see a reason for deleting anything.--Kmhkmh (talk) 21:23, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete. These maps are clearly derivative works. Perhaps this is allowed in some jurisdictions, but according to the Commons policies, these works are not accepted per COM:Derivative works. These maps could be based on https://quartermaester.info/ where it is stated (please press the "i" for information) Intellectual property of A Song of Ice and Fire, this map and all locations belong to George R.R. Martin. The maps might also be derived from the book The Lands of Ice and Fire (A Game of Thrones), which is copyrighted as well. Consequently, these files have to be deleted imho. Ellywa (talk) 20:13, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per Ellywa, these are deriative works of copyrighted material by George R. R. Martin. Permission from Martin would be needed to host these here. --Abzeronow (talk) 21:16, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]