Talk:State of Palestine

Latest comment: 15 hours ago by Astropulse in topic Lede


Picture in the "Art, Music, and Clothing" Section

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Under the 'Art, music, and clothing' Section there is a picture of 'Palestinian children in their traditional dress'. The picture itself was taken in London (on Oct. 9th 2023), and it is not clear this has anything to do with 'traditional Palestinian clothing'. The picture does contain a political message which is irrelevant to the information discussed in the section, and in addition contains a short manifesto in text when opened "There are more than two million people living there, and this brutal form of collective punishment is clearly a war crime which threatens the lives of all of them...". I suggest deleting this picture or finding a more suitable image which is relevant to the information discussed.— Preceding unsigned comment added by an unspecified IP address

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 June 2024

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"the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, collectively known as the Palestinian territories — within the larger region of Palestine" this is a technical and geographical inaccuracy. the 2 palestinian states (governed by different governments) are within the region of Israel. Regardless of the political opinion, this is geographically inaccurate and may be misleading. Maleuser999 (talk) 15:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Not done – incorrect, see Palestine (region). Remsense 15:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Unsubstantiated/potentially inaccurate sentence in main summary section

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The final paragraph in the introduction summary section contains a sentence which reads: "Despite these challenges, the country remains one of the most highly-educated countries in the Arab world." I am unsure by what metric this is measured, as the Wikipedia article on education in the Arab world places Palestine around the middle of the pack as well as low internationally.

Perhaps it is my misunderstanding but please review and take the action you deem necessary. 76.244.42.200 (talk) 07:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Education in the Arab World is poorly sourced, and the table presented there is completely unsourced (we aren't even told what parameter the ranking refers too). That said, I agree that the claim here is also unsourced and a knowledgeable editor should look into it. — kashmīrī TALK 08:09, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Treating your comment as an edit request to remove the relevant material on the basis that is is unsourced, I have done so. It's not in the education section or elsewhere in the article body that I can see. Selfstudier (talk) 11:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm glad action was taken, however now I have a different concern about the same section. There are two back-to-back sentences in the exact same place that contain grammatical errors.
"Unsolved remain the question of Palestine's borders..." – should be "remains" instead of "remain"
"Despite these challenges, the country, maintains an emerging economy, and sees frequent tourism." – need to remove extraneous commas. Should be corrected to "Despite these challenges, the country maintains an emerging economy and sees frequent tourism." 76.244.42.200 (talk) 00:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I've gone ahead and made those fixes. Thank you for pointing them out - Antandrus (talk) 01:36, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Revert

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This revert edit wars in the term "Proclaimed capital" in the infobox. The infoboxes for Israel and Palestine in this respect should be identical (as are their leads) as neither claim is recognized and whether Israel occupies Jerusalem has absolutely nothing whatever to do with it. Selfstudier (talk) 20:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 July 2024

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In the "Capital" section of the Infobox, instead of saying "Jerusalem" say "East Jerusalem" as the Palestinian Liberation Organisation claims only East Jerusalem as its capital not the whole of Jerusalem. Zakary2012 (talk) 05:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. GrayStorm(Complaints Dept.|My Contribs.) 05:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Largest city - needs to be fixed

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The infobox says the largest city in the country is Gaza City, but it is actually East Jerusalem, with 595,000 inhabitants according to the article on it, so that needs to be corrected in the infobox. 2A00:A041:3B9A:AC00:88A6:4340:9DD0:6D05 (talk) 14:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

where in the article does it say that? Slatersteven (talk) 15:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Lede

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@Astropulse: WP:LEDE is a summary of the body and is not supposed to have any details in it. The burden to achieve consensus is on the inserter of the material per WP:ONUS, not on its remover. Makeandtoss (talk) 07:59, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Astropulse: I have reverted your revert while we discuss. Please explain your revert further, for example, the restoration of In 1917, Britain called for a Jewish nation to be created, which is actually false. Selfstudier (talk) 10:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/conflict-Palestine
it says "In 1917, in order to win Jewish support for Britain's First World War effort, the British Balfour Declaration promised the establishment of a Jewish national home in Ottoman-controlled Palestine."
National Army Museum is the British Army's central museum.
How is this false? Its already in the reference Astropulse (talk) 18:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Jewish national home is not equal to a Jewish nation. That you are not aware of this and all the arguments around it, is disturbing. Selfstudier (talk) 18:35, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I see. right now, i think the flow of information is not great and it was severely shortened by @Makeandtoss People should have some more context Astropulse (talk) 21:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Selfstudiercan you confirm your reasoning behind recent revert and why you like the current version instead of version july 12 before changes by Makeandtoss Astropulse (talk) 15:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

See my comment above. Selfstudier (talk) 15:19, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply