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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete. (non-admin closure) Redirect was deleted under G5 due to creator being a sock-puppet. Wes Wolf ^Talk 01:22, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• 2017–18 World Rugby Sevens Series → World Rugby Sevens Series  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Article was unsourced, and its parent article does not mention anything about a 2017/18 series. Redirect was created on the basis of WP:TOOSOON. However, the creator has engaged in an edit war, with a warning issued. Therefore bringing this to discussion on whether the redirect should remain as it was to its target page, or deleted on the basis of being too soon and WP:CRYSTAL. NPFan17 (talk · contribs) has recently been reported to WP:AIV as a vandal-only account, due to a plethora of vandalism across Wikipedia. Multiple warnings issued to them regarding their behaviour. Wes Wolf ^Talk 23:27, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  Note: that it has come to light that this user may be a sock of RVFan1930 - see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/RVFan1930. Wes Wolf ^Talk 23:49, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:54, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Scotia major → Ireland  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• Mikra Britannia → Ireland  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. These terms are Latin (I think Old Latin) and Latinised Koine Greek names for the island of Ireland (literally "Big Scotland" and "Little Britain" respectively) and are not in common use anywhere except in discussions of northwest Europe in the context of that era - the contemporary and Classical Latin name for Ireland is Hibernia. "Scotia major" is not used anywhere on Wikipedia other than this redirect, and "Mikra Britannia" is found only in the archives of Talk:British Isles. Thryduulf (talk) 20:59, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Note I've left a note regarding this and the other nominations related to Ireland at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland. Thryduulf (talk) 21:20, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:44, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Draft:David Dao → United Express Flight 3411 incident  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not a plausible search term since we already have a David Dao redirect to the target article. No one will search for a draft here since it is unlikely Dao will ever have his own article per the AfD and deletion review 173.3.76.2 (talk) 20:40, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - If the history were intact, preservation in some way might be due, but it is not. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 04:49, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete article wasn't cultivated in draft for any notable length of time as something independent of the incident so retaining the redirect that it had gone through the draft process doesn't make sense. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:27, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:43, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Ireland and Ulster → Ireland  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I think I understand the logic behind this redirect as Republic of Ireland + Northern Ireland → island of Ireland, but I am very unsure whether I think this is a good search term or not. "Ireland" and "Ulster" are both ambiguous (see Ireland (disambiguation) and Ulster (disambiguation)) and so this could also be a WP:XY for the island and a part of the island, or the country and a region that is partly in that country and partly not. I'm bringing this here for discussion not necessarily deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 20:38, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete because it is quite unlikely that anyone will search for this term, and the question of what it might refer to raises political tension. - Richard Cavell (talk) 20:41, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - This seems vague and honestly useless. I agree. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:20, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) feminist 11:26, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Ubi Soft Entertainment Ltd. → Ubisoft  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete: "Ubi Soft Entertainment Limited" (unabbreviated) was for seven years (Sep 1997–Dec 2003) the legal name of Ubisoft's UK operations, which makes it the least notable, behind the name before ("Ubi Soft Limited", July 1989—Sep 1997: 8 years), and the [current] name after ("Ubisoft Limited", Dec 2003—present: 13+ years) + WP:YELLOWPAGES. Lordtobi (✉) 19:27, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep In UK law there is no difference between "Limited", "Ltd" and "Ltd." in any capitalisation, so a limited company is free to use any (or none) as it wants without restriction. Accordingly people who write about the company can and do use any version, whether that matches what the company (currently) uses or not. That a company has had multiple legal names is not relevant as there is no restriction on the number of redirects to an article so there is no need to determine which is most or least notable as there can (and likely should) be redirects from all of them. Thryduulf (talk) 23:08, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  @Thryduulf: Please note that the name is the least notable of an already unnotable office of Ubisoft in the UK (Ubisoft itself is in France). There is not a single mention of it in the target article, and no source really covers it. There should not be any redirects of this kind. Lordtobi (✉) 11:55, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  If someone is looking up this name then they will want to find information about Ubisoft, which they will find at the target article. It's a useful search term. Thryduulf (talk) 12:29, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  If they wanted to find out about Ubisoft, why would they search for [an outdated legal name of] an almost-unknown subsidiary in a different country than what we are redirecting to? In contrast, we could have redirects "Ubisoft Entertainment SA" and "Ubi Soft Entertainment Software" (the two legal names the actual Ubisoft bore), and logically assume that the user looking those up was looking for Ubisoft HQ, but not take e.g. "Ubisoft SARL" (which was the legal name of Ubisoft Casablanca in Morocco), and assume that the reader—obviously wanting to find out about Ubisoft Casablanca—was looking for Ubisoft in France. That's illogical. Lordtobi (✉) 12:45, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as useful search term.   czar 04:50, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) feminist 11:25, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Ubisoft Entertainment Inc → Ubisoft  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete: On the one hand, WP:YELLOWPAGES, on the other, there is no such company by that name: The French headquarters are "Ubisoft Entertainment SA", while the North American subsid is simply "Ubisoft, Inc.", the title at present does not exist in that variation. Lordtobi (✉) 19:27, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as useful search term—has gone by this version in the past[1][2]   czar 04:52, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Czar's findings. Thryduulf (talk) 11:34, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Proc. (non-admin closure) feminist 11:25, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• PROC → China  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Retarget to Proc. I have never come across this as an alternative to PRC which is universally used. It’s not used in the article China, and is certainly not the primary topic - something like its use in programming would seem more likely. But no use is particularly common, so the dab page seems the best target. JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 19:15, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget per nom. Lordtobi (✉) 19:29, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to the dab page at Proc per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 19:53, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per nom. --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:15, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per nom, which includes several entries for the all caps version as well as the People's Republic of China entry. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:36, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was created. In the future, please use WP:AFC/R to request creation of redirects that don't exist (including recreation of deleted ones). --BDD (talk) 19:12, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Ritika Mohan Singh → [[:Ritika Singh]]  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ritika Mohan Singh should be redirected to Ritika Singh as it is about the same person. Dwanyewest (talk) 18:44, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:42, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Ramadan Abedi → 2017 Manchester Arena bombing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I don't think a redirect from the middle and last names of the perpetrator is advisable. In fact, his father's name is Ramadan Abedi, and the father is currently mentioned at Didsbury Mosque. But we've typically deleted such redirects in the past, and I don't see a good reason for this one. BDD (talk) 17:46, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I created this redirect at the same time as the one for Salman Ramadan Abedi, and had no idea that his father was called Ramadan Abedi. I'm fine with deleting it. Edwardx (talk) 19:46, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment A photo is spreading on USA conservative Facebook that falsely claims to show Hillary Clinton with Ramadan Abedi (the father), but in fact shows her with Mohammed Magariaf. Not sure whether that's a "for" or "against" argument, but I think it's a relevant piece of information to consider here. Someone the Person (talk) 02:03, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:41, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• You Bastard → Pyramids (novel)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Seems a bit derogatory and only seems to be the name of a minor character. RileyBugz^会話_投稿記録 16:37, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• I would associate the phrase more firmly with Kenny from South Park. - Richard Cavell (talk) 16:38, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  Usually that quote would be in plural and not capitalized—"You bastards" or "You bastards!"—which are present and sourced in the Kyle Broflovski (who usually replies to Stan Marsh's "Oh my God, they killed Kenny!") article, where however, ironically, the redirects do not exist but could be created and redirect to the relevant section in the mentioned article. Regardless of my prior statement, the way this redirect is presented (capitalized, singular), is not notable and should be deleted. Lordtobi (✉) 16:57, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect is pointless. I would prefer the entry to be reverted to the original actual definition (the minor character from Discworld). SemperBlotto (talk) 04:40, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: It's so generic a phrase as to make a pointless and misleading redirect (per WP:XY), and I rather doubt this minor character from Discworld is so prominent as to merit a standalone Wikipedia article. Ravenswing 16:08, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete no notable primary topic for this. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:51, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:40, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• IJsland → Iceland  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete per WP:FORRED. This is the Dutch name for the country, but I have not found any significant connection between the Netherlands or Dutch language and Iceland/Icelandic. This gets a lot of hits, but almost certainly driven by the link at Alphabetical order#Language-specific conventions which doesn't need to exist, as it could be piped to the country (although it's immediately followed by "(Iceland)") or IJ (digraph), linked to nl:IJsland, or unlinked. Thryduulf (talk)

• Delete per nom. Lordtobi (✉) 17:01, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Neutral Why wait to pipe the IJsland link mentioned by the nominator to test that theory of how much traffic comes from it ? --Snaevar (talk) 08:50, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've unlinked it, but being listed at RfD generates traffic so the effect of the unlinking will not be known before this discussion is closed. Thryduulf (talk) 00:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:39, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Principaut de Monaco → Monaco  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete this is a misspelling of the French official name for Monaco (Principauté de Monaco) and as far as I can tell "Principaut" is not a word in any other language. It got 4 hits last year which is noise level so it doesn't seem to be a common misspelling in English and as the title is a redlink on fr.wp the implication is that it isn't a common misspelling in French either. Thryduulf (talk) 14:01, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Lordtobi (✉) 17:01, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom Legacypac (talk) 03:34, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I agree. This doesn't seem useful. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:19, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:46, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Rare Coin-It → Rare (company)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Rare Coin-It Inc. → Rare (company)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Rare Coin-It, Inc. → Rare (company)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete: Not mentioned once in target article. Lordtobi (✉) 10:16, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Retain. Was an alias of the company[3][4]—I'd expect further details to be in print sources   czar 04:49, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Czar. Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:07, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Stamper brothers now that an article has been created on them. Thanks, Czar! -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:45, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Stamper Brothers → Rare (company)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Tim Stamper (programmer) → Rare (company)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Tim Stamper (game artist) → Rare (company)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Tim Stamper → Rare (company)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Tim and Chris Stamper → Rare (company)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Tim & Chris Stamper → Rare (company)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Stamper, Tim → Rare (company)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Chris Stamper → Rare (company)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Both, Chris and Tim Stamper, respectively founded Rare (company) and Ultimate Play the Game (if not even more), so it does not make sense to redirect them to either, as both were very notable companies, but neither has detailed information on the redirect subjects. I think delete would be the best option for most of these, maybe a disambiguation page for "Tim Stamper" to include "Tim Stamper, the co-founder of UPTG and Rare" and "Tim Stamper, MP, a fictional character from House of Cards" or redirect Tim Stamper and Chris Stamper to the Stamper disambiguation page. Lordtobi (✉) 09:54, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: Tim Stamper was a disambiguation page up until this undiscussed edit by User:Czar, which should have been reverted immediately. bd2412 T 11:17, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for the note. I looked a little further down the pages during cleanup, and I figured that, maybe instead of recreating the dab for Tim, we should redirect both primary redirects to the Stamper dab page, but yet delete all others (for being plain unnecesssary); this ha also been added above. Lordtobi (✉) 11:25, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  Redirecting "Tim Stamper" to Stamper will mislead and confuse readers; "Tim Stamper" is not a WP:INCOMPDAB case as it contains no parenthetical disambiguator, and is not merely synonymous with "Stamper". There are precisely two relevant senses of the term meeting WP:DABMENTION, and since they are equally obscure, the appropriate resolution is to have a disambiguation page at this title. A reader who searches for "Tim Stamper" is likely searching for one of these two options, and that is precisely what they should see. bd2412 T 14:34, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

should have been reverted immediately

Please. The game dev is clearly the primary topic over the fictional character, based on sourcing alone. Also "neither has detailed information on the redirect subjects"—are we looking at the same articles? The Stampers recur throughout both the Rare and Ultimate articles and are especially central to the former... hence why their AfD resulted in a redirect to that article. Unless the argument was to overturn that discussion or to somehow argue that Ultimate is a better target than Rare, I don't see any case here at all. But as it stands, I have enough sources for an article on the brothers, so redirect all to Stamper brothers.   czar 04:37, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:43, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Rare (video game) → Rare (company)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete: Target article's subject is not a video game. Lordtobi (✉) 09:01, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - more importantly, the company never created an eponymous game, according to List of video games developed by Rare. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:02, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This was created as a typo before the page was moved to "Rare (video game company)".   czar 04:55, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I'm also not aware of the company creating an eponymous game. At first, I thought that this might be useful in terms of talking about rarity in certain video game releases (see here). However, it looks like the best choice is just to delete this. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:18, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Thryduulf (talk) 10:05, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Lou Dimasi → 2004–05 SPHL season  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

WP:XY; previous precedent set to delete these types of redirects Joeykai (talk) 06:21, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Created by an editor subsequently placed under a community ban from creating new redirects (for creating hundreds of suspect ones to burnish his page creation count), this follows the pattern of many of them: an obscure NN hockey player from the low-minor leagues redirected to a single season of one of the leagues in which he played. Fails XY, in that this single minor league season's certainly a more implausible target than Norwich_University#Ice_hockey, the college hockey program where the subject was a four-year starter, or Saint_Michael's_College#Athletics, where he coached for several years. Ravenswing 11:08, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom and Ravenswing above. Lordtobi (✉) 17:01, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Ravenswing sums it up how I would have. -DJSasso (talk) 11:52, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:40, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above discussion --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:53, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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