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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Leaf forest → Sonic Advance 2  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

i think most forests have leaves, i don't see what makes this one special. leaf forest is not mentioned in the target, and the lowercase f suggests any random forest with leaves cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

should note that while "leaf forest zone" would narrow it down considerably, it would also be wrong, as it's not referred to as a zone in the game cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Deciduous forest as opposed to conifer needle forests. They have much leaf litter -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 04:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  they're actually really pointy leaves, but that's going off-topic cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:47, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Fan wikis identify "Leaf Forest" as part of the Sonic and Pokemon universes, but those uses aren't mentioned here. All of the search results on Wikipedia are WP:PTMs, like "broad-leaf forest", "needle-leaf forest", etc. - Eureka Lott 17:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The lowercase name and lack of any series-identifying words like "Zone" drop the affinity on this one down considerably. Given the zones in this game also aren't listed in the article, I think it's safe to delete. Not a fan of retargeting to Deciduous forest instead, but I won't be too combative if people decide it's a good target. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Marine the Raccoon(character) → Sonic Rush Adventure  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

malformed cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:49, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:RDAB. Marine the Raccoon (character) exists (and has a similar page history). — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 03:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Per reasons given.★Trekker (talk) 17:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete it was an article for about 5 minutes in 2007 and doesn't appear to contain any useful history not in the correct title. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Sonic E3 → Sonic Rush  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"sonic ds" was a working title for sonic rush. "sonic e3" was not. more than one sonic game has been shown at e3 since 2005, so rush might not be the primary target cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per nom BugGhost🪲👻 14:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Something Forgotten Wished by the World → Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

the title of an official album, apparently. not mentioned in the target outside of sources that happen to have the name in the title. delete, or see if a mention can be added? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Klonoa. ✗plicit 23:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• 風のクロノア → Klonoa: Door to Phantomile  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

that's the japanese name for the franchise, with this redirect missing the subtitle associated with this specific game. redirect to klonoa, or leave as is? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Klonoa per WP:FORRED. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Klonoa. Foreign language redirects are appropriate when it is the original name of the subject in question. Fieari (talk) 00:02, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• List of Klonoa vilians → Klonoa: Door to Phantomile  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

implausible misspelling cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete A unlikely misspelling in a long title for a non-notable topic. This helps zero readers. Ca ^{talk to me!} 11:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• List of Klonoa villains → Klonoa: Door to Phantomile  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

left as a redirect because there weren't any sources that could warrant a list for individual klonoa characters, and i still haven't found anything noteworthy about any single character (not even klonoa himself) cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete As formerly totally unsourced fancruft, it's not even worth restoring and bringing to AfD. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Heather McMahan → Celebrity Jeopardy! (2022 game show)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

WP:RETURNTORED. Her only connection to celebrity jeopardy is that she appeared as a contestant during one tournament. I mean just based on the premise of the show, you have to be more notable for something else than for simply being on the show.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 18:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Fieari (talk) 00:06, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Kahru, Rõuge Parish. Jay 💬 05:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Kahru → Gahru  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

article about Iran village (not a city like said!) called Gahru even doesn't mention "Kahru". And Kahru to be reserved to Estonian village Kahru, Rõuge Parish Estopedist1 (talk) 15:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget according to nom. None of the Romanization of Persian mixes up the letters <k> and <g> for the same sound. Ca ^{talk to me!} 11:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any comment on Gohord's plausibility? If it's not plausible, I'd say to move Kahru, Rõuge Parish to Kahru; if it is plausible, I'd create a DAB over the redirect. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think most readers would look for the Estonian village since Kahru is its primary name, while Gohord has it as the alternative name. I support moving Kahru, Rõuge Parish to Kahru with Hatnote Ca ^{talk to me!} 11:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was No consensus * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Valinor Hills Station → Ingenuity (helicopter)#End of mission  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There's no indication that this is referred to as a "station", either officially or unofficially, by anyone. I'm not sure whether or not a plain "Valinor Hills" redirect would be more suitable. It doesn't seem very useful, but it would make more sense at least. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:03, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - As OA of the Valinor Hills Station WP:Redirect - this Redirect was made to support the listing of the final location of the Mars Ingenuity (helicopter) on the planet Mars as indicated at Ingenuity (helicopter)#End of mission, and on the "Mars Memorial Sites" template ({{Features and memorials on Mars}}) (and see below) - in any case - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 14:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Note -- I removed the (unsigned) template transclusion as clutter; anyone can click on the link themselves to see it. I know MOS:OL is about article content and not talk pages, but holy crap, please take it to heart, because it's really hard to find the one important link among your sea of useless ones (why in the world did you feel the need to link "wp:redirect"? Please put some thought into what you write). More to the point, none of what you said addresses my concern that "Station" specifically is unwarranted. If someone added it inappropriately to a template, the proper course would be to remove it from the template, not to add an erroneous redirect. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom as possibly made up. 0 hits on Google. We already have the "station-less" Valinor Hills created at the same time and pointing to the same target. Jay 💬 12:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• very weak keep. There are three hits on Google that aren't from Wikipedia, but two of them are clearly not independent of each other given they use identical phrasing. So it's not completely useless and it is unambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 09:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was No consensus on whether to retarget or delete, hence retarget by default since deletion requires an explicit consensus. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:29, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Internet Phone Operating System → IOS  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Listing this separately from #Apple Internet Phone Operating System as beside similar issues with this being an unlikely search term, lacking a specific brand makes it more likely to cause confusion. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 12:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - No clear target. The creator may have been under the impression that the "i" in iPhone is short for "internet", which it isn't - and from searching it doesn't look like this is a common mistake. Could arguably be retargeted to Mobile operating system, but that article isn't strictly related to the internet - there are mobile operating systems that don't have internet connectivity. BugGhost🪲👻 13:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Our article on iPhone says According to Jobs in 1998, the "i" word in "iMac" (and thereafter "iPod", "iPhone" and "iPad") stands for internet, individual, instruct, inform, and inspire. Regardless, I agree with nom and everyone that the current redirect target is incorrect. External searches refer to specific patents, and unless Mobile operating system has mention of the exact term, Delete. Jay 💬 12:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep good thing to point out - I was broadly meaning that Apple nor anyone else has referred to the iPhone as "Internet Phone" (or "Inspire Phone", or "Instruct Phone", etc), despite historical etymology of iMac. BugGhost🪲👻 10:15, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Mobile operating system. While it's true that not everything there relates to the internet, everything that this plausible search term could relate to is listed there (i.e. it's a redirect from a narrower term to a broader article) . Thryduulf (talk) 14:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  "Internet phone" could also refer to VoIP, and such hardware usually has its own operating system distinct from mobile operating systems. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 23:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget as per Thryduulf. He's right in that that's the best target we have (the only "internet phones" that can possibly have an operating system would have said operating systems listed there), and the fact that it's one less word than the one that starts with Apple helps a bit with my ability to believe its plausibility. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete this is unrelated to VoIP, IP phone operating systems, nor to telco PSTN over IP cabinet equipment OSes -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 10:31, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• 2024 Sonsio Grand Prix at the Indiapolis Motor Speedway → 2024 Sonsio Grand Prix  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete - Unplausible search target/cleanup after target article was initially created here (due to a newer editor being unaware they could overwrite the old redirect at the target). ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  03:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Accurate and harmless, deletion wouldn't bring any benefits. Thryduulf (talk) 15:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. "Indiapolis" is such an unlikely misspelling of Indianapolis that those who know linguistics could potentially believe "Indiapolis" is a city in India. (To add to this, seems the only valid use of "Indiapolis" on Wikipedia is for a subject named "Indiapolis, Indiana: American Trust Publications" in some references, but in that case, based on where the instances of this phrase are located on Wikipedia, seems the title has intentional affinity to India, but I could be completely wrong on that and those uses of "Indiapolis" could be misspelled as well; apparently, an entity named "American Trust Publications" is/was based out of Chicago, which is rather geographically close to Indianapolis.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per Steel. This redirect made me believe Indiapolis is a real place! Jay 💬 05:26, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Retarget to CJK Compatibility#Block. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ㌽ → wiktionary:Special:Search/㌽  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Why would the English Wikipedia redirect to non-English Wiktionary entries? Fram (talk) 10:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eh? The target is an English Wiktionary entry. Thryduulf (talk) 11:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wiktionary entries for non-English words or terms. Wiktionary starts with the languages an entry is in (the heading), and the only such heading here is "Japanese". For comparison, the entry for "bread"[1] has headings "English", "Middle English", "Old English", and "Spanish", so that is an English Wiktionary entry. Fram (talk) 11:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Because English Wiktionary explains in English the meaning of the Japanese word that forms the character. I don't know that there is any exact meaning of point (disambiguation) that is represented by ㌽, so I leave the readers to find out what works in their case. --Error (talk) 11:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But why would we have redirects to explain words in other languages? We could add millions of redirects if we do this, for every word in every language. Fram (talk) 12:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. We have articles and redirects for characters (not words), because people want to know what they mean and look them up in Wikipedia. In this case the English Wiktionary entry is better than anything we have locally, so the soft redirect is the most helpful to readers. Thryduulf (talk) 12:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why would we allow redirects for foreign-language characters because people want to know what they mean, but not for words because people want to know what they mean? What makes characters so special? Fram (talk) 12:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because characters and words are not the same thing. The reason we don't have redirects for foreign words is expressed best at WP:RFOREIGN, those considerations don't occur for single characters. Thryduulf (talk) 12:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a non-answer if ever I saw one. Why A and not B? "A and B are not the same, and here we explain why not B". Well yes, but you argue to keep A, and don't give a reason why the arguments would be different. Further, the page you list to is about internal redirects, not about redirects to Wiktionary or the like. You also claim that "those considerations don't occur for single characters", but most of the arguments in the "Rationale" section of that page apply just as well to single characters. Fram (talk) 12:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Fram:: Is your objection to redirects to Wiktionary, redirects from non-Latin characters or redirects from CJK characters? --Error (talk) 14:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects from characters, words, ... not in use in English and without an article here. Fram (talk) 14:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

is there a reason the target is a search, and not the thing that would be searched? if not, retarget to wikt:㌽. otherwise, keep cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's how interwiki soft redirects work (my guess is that it's so that you get search results rather than an error if the target page doesn't exist, but you get taken to the page if it does) so your suggested retarget is the current target. Thryduulf (talk) 21:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please wait before you create more similar redirects. You have now added ㍀ and ㍁, but if this one gets created, then adding more of the same onbly creates more work afterwards. Fram (talk) 12:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment There are tens of thousands of Han characters/Kanji. Is the plan to redirect all of them (or at least the reasonably common ones) to Wiktionary entries? What about characters in other scripts, or words in other languages? I actually agree that there is some value to a reader, however if you search for a Han character (arbitrary example) on Wikipedia, the corresponding Wiktionary entry will already appear in the search results on the side under the heading "Word definitions from Wiktionary". If the desire is to make the link to Wiktionary more prominent, that could be done much more efficiently with a few lines of CSS or JS instead of creating thousands of redirect entries. Just my 2¢. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 14:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I realize that the entry above is not Kanji but rather a "square katakana" symbol, of which Unicode has only ~100, but I think the general reasoning may still apply. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 15:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are some kanji categorized as Category:Kanji, Category:Kyōiku kanji. I think that Category:Simplified Chinese radicals‎ and Category:Kangxi radicals list most of the radicals. There are few redirects there, either because they don't exist or they are not categorized. Category:Specific_kana lists all of them, it seems. Picking one at random, ra has seven redirects from specific Unicode characters, all of them seem reasonable to me. --Error (talk) 16:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete This is a Unicode 'codepoint', but it is not in any normal sense a "character"; in fact it is plainly a word - ポイント - consisting of four characters. These "block" things are a legacy typographical kludge, not a normal part of the Japanese writing system. Imaginatorium (talk) 04:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Wiktionary explains what this character is and how it is used, and it does so in English. We have the information, we should point to it. Fieari (talk) 02:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strictly speaking this is not true: Wiktionary does not describe this "character" (it isn't a character), nor how it is used. For example it does not mention that in vertical writing (where I suspect such use may be more common) the four elements of the character-space, written l-r, t-b, would be ン　ポ　ト　イ (because actually they would have to be written t-b, r-l). In other words the actual appearance shown in the Unicode CJK compatibility box is not necessarily how the "character" would appear in actual use. And there is no obvious evidence of this "character" actually being in use [as opposed to "mention"] in an Internet search. If there is an established principle that WP does not provide links to Wikt for just any foreign word, the argument for needing a redirect for non-standard representations of such words strikes me as infinitely weak. Imaginatorium (talk) 05:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Changing !vote to Retarget to CJK Compatibility per Nickps below. An on-wiki redirect is significantly preferable to a cross-wiki one. Fieari (talk) 23:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to CJK Compatibility for the reasons Imaginatorium brings up. Opposed to deletion however since the character is covered in the English WP. Nickps (talk) 16:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry, but I don't understand what you mean by "covered". Is the J word ポイント "covered"? Actually I think that of course it is (just about) acceptable to describe (non-)characters like this in an article about obscure features of Unicode, but it is also OK to have an article on the Hungarian language - but this does not mean that just any Hungarian word should redirect to it. And yes, this (non-)character appears on web pages, but I can only find it on dictionary and similar pages, where it is often just some sort of redirect. Challenge: can you find a single use of this (non-)character in use in a document on the Web? Imaginatorium (talk) 16:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  "Covered" means that the character U+333D ㌽ SQUARE POINTO is explained in CJK Compatibility. CJK Compatibility is a Unicode block containing square symbols (both CJK and Latin alphanumeric) encoded for compatibility with East Asian character sets. Therefore, someone who searched for "㌽" now knows why it exists. That's a helpful redirect. Your argument would make sense if the nominated redirect was ポイント, but it's not. It is entirely possible that someone who puts "㌽" in the search box actually wants to know about the Unicode character itself and not about the Japanese word wikt:ポイント.

  PS: Noncharacter has a specific meaning as far as Unicode is concerned. U+333D is not a "noncharacter". Nickps (talk) 16:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to CJK Compatibility per Nickps and other discussions on Unicode symbols. CJK Compatibility also helpfully links the character to the Wictionary entry in case a user needs further clarification on what the symbol means. ― Synpath 03:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to CJK Compatibility#Block, which seems to be the best of choices more preferable than the current target. Whether or not every such character should have such a redirect is a larger question to be addressed elsewhere (if it has been, I am unaware). — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 20:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Search considers ㌽ and ポイント to be interchangeable. Therefore, currently Special:Search/ポイント leads to ㌽. Therefore, I propose that if this RfD closes as retarget per my !vote, regular ポイント is created as a crosswiki to wiktionary:Special:Search/ポイント. I consider this a case of WP:SMALLDETAILS. Nickps (talk) 11:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  But this seems to show up the absurdity of this whole mess. If ポイント should have a redirect, surely every other Japanese word should also have a redirect? じゃないの? Imaginatorium (talk) 11:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  surely every other Japanese word should also have a redirect. Not really, only the ones that have associated Unicode characters. The redirects from individual Unicode characters are useful. Apart from what I've already said above, consider {{unichar}} which links to the character page if an empty |nlink= parameter is passed to it. U+333D ㌽ SQUARE POINTO works fine right now. Why break it? On the other hand, yes, keeping the redirect creates a pretty astonishing result for anyone who searches regular ポイント. But we don't need to delete to fix that; creating ポイント also works. I think the usefulness of the ㌽ redirect is enough to warrant the WP:RFOREIGN exception I'm asking for here. Nickps (talk) 12:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  You say the "usefulness" of the ㌽ redirect. Can you describe a plausible scenario in which a non-Japanese-speaking user could have this Unicode value "in their hand " so to speak, in order to paste it into the WP search box? Unless of course they got it from a dictionary/Unicode site, and already know what it is? Can you cite a single instance of this Unicode value in a document on the net? And please avoid using the term "Unicode character" to describe something which is not a character. Imaginatorium (talk) 03:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't really need to accommodate your nonstandard definition of "character". A Unicode compatibility character is still a Unicode character. Can you describe a plausible scenario in which a non-Japanese-speaking user could have this Unicode value "in their hand " so to speak, in order to paste it into the WP search box? This Wikipedia is made for English speakers not "non-Japansese" speakers. Some of these English speakers who understand Japanese at some level but still prefer to use enwiki may end up on e.g. [2] or [3] and then search the character. Nickps (talk) 04:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Why would you be fluent enough to end up at [chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.city.iwaki.lg.jp/www/contents/1522805848362/simple/shouhinn.pdf your first example], but then rely on English Wikipedia to explain this to you, instead of Japanese Wikipedia? Why would you expect Enwiki to explain everything about every language? Fram (talk) 07:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - As explained in WP:RFOREIGN, redirects in languages other than English that point to articles not directly related to that language (or a culture associated with that language) should generally not be kept. As others have pointed out it is a character (in the Unicode sense), but this symbol represents a non-English word and so (in my opinion) falls under that guideline and shouldn't be kept. I also don't think it should redirect to CJK Compatibility, because users typically expect redirects to go to the contents/meaning of the search, rather than their technical representation (eg. 🛑 goes to Stop sign, not Transport and Map Symbols; ㎯ goes to Angular acceleration, not CJK Compatibility; 🯈 goes to Stick figure not Symbols for Legacy Computing etc), and we don't (and shouldn't) have an article on the meaning of ㌽, and just the fact that it is represented with a single unicode code-point is just technical trivia. It doesn't mean CJK Compatibility, so it shouldn't go there - the result would astonish. Updating my position - see below BugGhost🪲👻 11:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  It's interesting that you brought up Symbols for Legacy Computing. The stick figures are the exception; most characters in that block do in fact redirect to Symbols for Legacy Computing. In my opinion this shows that redirecting a character to the Unicode block it belongs to is perfectly acceptable. Not only that, but it also makes more sense since that's what the characters are. We don't redirect 🮕 to Checkerboard and we don't redirect 🯄 to Question mark because they are primarily Symbols for Legacy Computing. Nickps (talk) 21:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Huh, you're right - I wasn't intending to cherrypick there, I just searched one from that block at random - thanks for the correction. (I would argue that 🮕 and 🯄 probably should go to checkerboard and question mark respectively, but that's a topic for a different RfD.) I've been thinking about this a bit more and have changed my mind on this topic - retarget to CJK Compatibility#Block probably is the right choice. Same part of WP:FOREIGN that I quoted earlier - the CJK comp block probably does count as directly related to that language (or a culture associated with that language), and so it could make sense as a valid target. BugGhost🪲👻 14:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Epsilon Eridani c → Epsilon Eridani#Debris disc  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Epsilon eridani c → Epsilon Eridani#Debris disc  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Target section does not mention Epsilon Eridani c. Also, the former section named "Planet c" was removed from the target article in Special:Diff/1154409029 (as shown in the "Broken anchors" note at Talk:List of nearest stars). GTrang (talk) 13:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, this planet candidate is still mentioned by name in the target section: The JCMT images show signs of clumpy structure in the belt that may be explained by gravitational perturbation from a planet, dubbed Epsilon Eridani c. SevenSpheres (talk) 15:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the reasons given by SevenSpheres. 21 Andromedae (talk) 16:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Refine to Tobias Forge#Ghost and no consensus on whether to retarget to the band or not, largely because both targets satisfy everybody. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:27, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Papa Emeritus 2 → Tobias Forge  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Papa Emeritus redirects to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus section and already covers Papa Emeritus II.

I wonder if the initially capitalized redirect contradicts with Papa emeritus (Bishops in the Catholic Church#Pope emeritus). LEILA FERRAZ (talk) 19:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep or Retarget to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus. Either way, the use of "2" makes it seem as though it does not/could not refer to Bishops in the Catholic Church#Pope emeritus. Steel1943 (talk) 21:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep or Retarget to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus per Steel1943. Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• If this is retargeted, Papa Emeritus II and Papa Emeritus III should probably also be retargeted. Might be worth adding both these (and possibly Papa Emeritus) to this discussion. Alternatively, if it seems to be uncontroversial where these should all point, they can be retargeted without any RFD discussion. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:34, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or retarget?
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The issue is that both targets (Tobias Forge#Ghost, which is what this should be refined to if Kept, and Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus) discuss Tobias's role as the Papa Emeritus character in *all* incarnations of the character-- Papa Emeritus I, II, III, 0, and IV. That said, I'm leaning towards Refine for this specific redirect; the incarnation Papa Emeritus II does get a little more discussion in Tobias's article compared to Ghost's article.

Either way, I do think the two sections need to be hatnoted together-- they talk about the same thing, so they should get a "See also" connecting them. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I hatnoted them both. Jay 💬 05:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Move LGBT in Russia (disambiguation) back to LGBT in Russia. Jay 💬 05:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• LGBT in Russia → LGBT in Russia (disambiguation)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Shouldn't it target to a specific page and then use a template to indicate "For other uses, see LGBT in Russia (disambiguation)"? Also, this disambiguation feels strange to me, LGBT in Brazil points to LGBT rights in Brazil. LGBT in the United States points to LGBT people in the United States, but we don't have a LGBT people in Russia. So retarget to LGBT rights in Russia? If the target is kept, we should start disambiguating countries that have history, rights, people, and culture with "LGBT in [country]". --MikutoH ^talk! 00:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Well if a broad-concept article is to be written it could be done so otherwise per WP:MALPLACED the DAB should be moved back to the base name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Move LGBT in Russia (disambiguation) back to the base title. Personally, I find "LGBT in [place]" awkward and ungrammatical, but this discussion is about this redirect in particular. I checked a few other "LGBT in [place]" to see how we treat them, and did not find a clear pattern.

1. LGBT in Chile is an article about LGBT topics generally, with a hatnote to LGBT rights in Chile.
2. LGBT in Germany redirects to LGBT rights in Germany.
3. LGBT in Houston redirects to LGBT culture in Houston.
4. LGBT in New Zealand is an article about LGBT topics generally.
5. LGBT in Singapore redirects to LGBT culture in Singapore.

By all means, yes, there should be a general article for LGBT topics in Russia, but simply moving the disambiguation page doesn't accomplish that. --BDD (talk) 18:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BDD and Crouch, Swale: I opened discussions for LGBT in the United States (disambiguation) and LGBT in Israel, and created LGBT in Brazil (disambiguation). You might be interested in opining.

BDD, thanks for your input. I agree that it can be moved back to its title now. I thought there wasn't a consensus for such disambiguations to exist. --MikutoH ^talk! 20:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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