Talk:'S Out

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus for move. Ucucha 00:31, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

'S Out → 's Out — Capitalisation. The title is short for "Bottom's Out", so a lower-case "s" makes more sense than upper case. This is consistent with the episode 's Up. Interplanet Janet (talk) 14:31, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose the title is Bottom's Out accroding to the article. Therefore the current and requested titles are wrong. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 06:08, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  The article was wrong also - I've fixed it now. Interplanet Janet (talk) 12:43, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Per WP:CAPS, the first word is the be capitalized. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:21, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  It's not a word, it's a word fragment, part of the word "Bottom's". You would never write "Bottom'S Out", so the "s" should never be capitalised (e.g. similar to 's-Hertogenbosch). Also, I have reverted your move of the article 's Up - it's totally inappropriate to move that article while we're still discussing this one. Interplanet Janet (talk) 10:14, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Support makes sense to me. This brings the article into line with all the other episode names & articles being suffixes of the term "Bottom" a_man_alone (talk) 11:11, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. Whatever is decided, 's Up or 'S Wonderful should be moved to match this one. Jafeluv (talk) 13:52, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  On second thought I oppose this move, noting that our article titles always start with a capital letter except in very few cases. The only reason we're even discussing this move is because the software thinks the apostrophe at the beginning is the "first letter". Jafeluv (talk) 14:24, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  The only reason we're discussing this is because it's currently wrong. The first letter isn't an apostrophe - it's "B" as in "Bottom". They're all suffixes. As Janet suggests, you don't uppercase a suffix, especially as it contains part of the previous word as a continuation. Also, very few cases doesn't say that articles shouldn't start with a lowercase letter, nor express policy, nor even that there are few pages that do (although it does list only a few examples) it only explains why technically it doesn't happen. It does however, offer a helpful solution as to how to combat the limitation - which isn't needed in this case though. a_man_alone (talk) 14:38, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  If the correct title is Bottom's Out, I support moving the article there. How do the sources write the episode title? I see that IMDb uses "'S Out", but they also use "'s Up", so there's really no logic either way. The British Sitcom Guide uses "'S Out". By the way, 'S Wonderful is pretty consistently capitalized by the sources, even though the 's is a suffix there as well. This case might be different, though. Jafeluv (talk) 14:55, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment I'm suddenly conflicted by this now. To me, the logic states that it should be a lower case letter. However, sources don't seem to bear this up, which goes against the core of Wikipedia. For example, I have here in front of me the UK boxset:

  All episode titles are in upper case regardless - both on the DVD boxes, and the on-screen titles - which doesn't help.

  's Up is actually credited as BOTTOM'S UP on the DVD box, but 'S UP as an onscreen title.

  a_man_alone (talk) 12:47, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.