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Economic ruin

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By the way, there should be some way of making it more clear that "spread of nomadism in areas where agriculture had previously been dominant" meant long-term economic decline, and a miniature "collapse of civilization" in much of the region (outside the main coastal cities). In some ways, parts of northern Tunisia and north-eastern Algeria only recovered to the level of the 4th century A.D. in the 20th century, if even then... AnonMoos 18:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The newly created article is clearly a POV fork that is trying to portray the Hilalan migration as some sort of organized military expedition. M.Bitton (talk) 17:27, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Searching 'Hilalian invasion of Ifriqiya' returns a couple of results in Google Books, 'Hilalian Invasion' returns several, as does 'Hilalian invaders' and 'Hilalian invasion of egypt.' I think there are plenty of sources that use this terminology. Some even call it the 'So-called invasion' lending weight to its common use (in my opinion) JeffUK (talk) 20:06, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disagree the so-called 'Hilalian Invasion' includes more than just the Banu Hilal, sources mention the Banu Sulaym 'And other tribes' as being involved, as such this is not a valid target for redirection. The Oxford History of Islam has "[The fatiminds sent the] Hilal and Sulaym, who had proven troublesome in Egypt, to find new abodes in Ifriqiya. The long-term impact of the so-called Hilalian invasion has been hotly debated, " JeffUK (talk) 20:19, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It's called "Hilalian" because it's specific to the Banu Hilal, just like the famous poem about them. The Banu Sulaym and the other tribes didn't enter Ifriqiya until much later. M.Bitton (talk) 02:22, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Gilbert Meynier (2010) L'Algérie cœur du Maghreb classique. De l'ouverture islamo-arabe au repli (658-1518). Paris: La Découverte; p. 53.
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