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Definitions[edit]

What are the differences between "public broadcasting service", "state owned media" and "state run media"? BBC is entirely funded and controlled by the British government, while on the opposite extreme PBS is independent and receives only a little bit of funding from the US government. RT is somewhere between the two, but it's not listed on here for some reason. Why?72.193.159.54 (talk) 07:44, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Public broadcasters may receive funding but are editorially independent. State-run media is where politicians control the content. Typically found in authoritarian regimes, where public media is found more in democratic systems. Superb Owl (talk) 04:51, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All the public broadcasters of your list are dependant of States where they are localized. Ask any people who are from these different countries. 46.193.169.162 (talk) 09:41, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
the most comprehensive resource found to-date is: Media and Journalism Research Center#State Media Monitor. (I stopped using Public Media Alliance when I discovered it was not a reliable indicator for editorial independence.)
@MINQI has raised a good question, do we:
1) only include State Media Monitor sources labeled 'Independent Public' (@MINQI supports this)
2) Do we also include those labeled 'Independent State Managed/Funded', which is the status quo of this list (I support this focus on editorial independence as the most important variable - it is seems to be the variable emphasized by the source - and the place best place to draw the line, though open to arguments to the contrary)Superb Owl (talk) 01:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question[edit]

Why there's no lxuxembourg 2001:1470:F800:2000:2C62:B1DB:5F74:BE2F (talk) 06:55, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Proposing a split to create a "State media" list[edit]

Given the definition of public broadcasting as having editorial independence, many of the broadcasters listed here instead meet the definition of state-run media. Begun splitting this list into two by creating a new article using World Press Freedom Index to determine (until a discussion or further research can happen) which broadcasters remain and which move to the List of state media by country. Superb Owl (talk) 04:52, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alternatively, we could simply merge them back together under the title 'Publicly-funded broadcasters' to not have to parse which are state media and which have editorial independence... Superb Owl (talk) 22:14, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How to note public media becoming state media?[edit]

Should we put the years in parentheses when the broadcaster was editorially independent of its government? Superb Owl (talk) 05:22, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reminder to check List of State Media before adding a broadcaster[edit]

Pinging all editors from the past couple months to check List of state media by country first to make sure a duplicate isn't being added on this page, which is only for outlets with editorial independence from their governments.

@TampaBayEnthusiast @114.79.19.173 @36.71.139.164 @2001:fb1:cc:1b38:3c62:3072:61e4:62bd @114.79.20.199 @114.79.21.11 @112.204.231.66 @Materialscientist @Dzulfi Ramadan @36.71.137.252 @2401:d800:2e7e:3002:51f1:e6ed:9e94:1715 @36.71.143.27 @KnightPower17 @114.79.20.132 @Glekaga @Explicit @Onel5969 @36.71.137.76

Am going to explore restricting edits to verified users if we keep having issues. Superb Owl (talk) 20:32, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is this an intentional sabotage? The entire section for South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and more is being removed. Tomy0000000 (talk) 05:02, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like it to me Superb Owl (talk) 22:01, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tomy0000000, I restored the article to the version before the vandalism occurred - thank you for catching this and we may need to flag that IP address Superb Owl (talk) 22:04, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

About DW[edit]

Please notice DW is an International broadcasting and funded not by Beitragsservice von ARD, ZDF und Deutschlandradio but the federal tax. It's different from ARD, ZDF and Deutschlandradio. Its task is to present the German perspective on current world events and intended to make Germany understandable as a European cultural nation and a liberal, democratic constitutional state, which makes it one of the pillars of the foreign cultural policy of Germany. It more likes a state media although it claimed it is independent. MINQI (talk) 02:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DW is a WP:Perennially generally reliable source - I haven't seen that discussion, but am not aware of state media with that rating so it would be really suprising. Do you have any generally reliable secondary sources that make the claim that it is not substantially editorially independent? I would imagine that the updated State Media Monitor in September might include them since it'll be an expanded report. Superb Owl (talk) 03:03, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Who said "DW is a WP:Perennially generally reliable source"? Have you heard what happened on Mrs Zhang？"In Absatz 3, Satz 1 wird weiter ausgeführt: „Die Berichterstattung soll umfassend, wahrheitsgetreu und sachlich sein sowie in dem Bewusstsein erfolgen, dass die Sendungen der Deutschen Welle die Beziehungen der Bundesrepublik Deutschland zu ausländischen Staaten berühren.“ Herkunft und Inhalt der Nachrichten sind dabei „mit der gebotenen Sorgfalt zu prüfen“ (Absatz 3, Satz 2). "and "Der Sender soll der globalen Interessenpolitik Deutschlands untergeordnet werden." is written in "Drucksache 18/3596 18. Wahlperiode".Two maybe op-eds:"West-östliche Propaganda",„Die Deutsche Welle sollte sich offiziell und öffentlich entschuldigen“.
Why you just simply undid my edit? Is the cite for Deutschlandradio not right or what? And you have missed "a member of" and "subordinate to" ——DW is not a Subsidiary of ARD. It's a media with its own leadership. MINQI (talk) 11:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can find the perennial reliable sources here: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources with links to the discussions that led to that consensus. I'm not sure how being a subordinate or member of another organization impacts their inclusion here but if it's not organized properly then that's certainly worth changing, but everything that is included should remain absent reliable secondary sources. I am only familiar with english reliable sources so am not able to evaluate these german sources, but if you can confirm that they are reliable on the German Wikipedia, then I will try to find an editor to help verify that. Superb Owl (talk) 17:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1."In Absatz 3, Satz 1 wird weiter ausgeführt: „Die Berichterstattung soll umfassend, wahrheitsgetreu und sachlich sein sowie in dem Bewusstsein erfolgen, dass die Sendungen der Deutschen Welle die Beziehungen der Bundesrepublik Deutschland zu ausländischen Staaten berühren.“ Herkunft und Inhalt der Nachrichten sind dabei „mit der gebotenen Sorgfalt zu prüfen“ (Absatz 3, Satz 2). "and "Der Sender soll der globalen Interessenpolitik Deutschlands untergeordnet werden." is written in "Drucksache 18/3596 18. Wahlperiode" are on German Wikipedia page for DW.
2.Cite for Deutschlandradio, which I have added and you deleted, is in EN. The page offeres another 6 languages besides EN and DE.
3.ARD's media you can easily watch at this page. Although it is in German but it showed as picture too: 9 media on the map.And bei the german Wiki page of "Public broadcasting"("Öffentlich-rechtlicher Rundfunk"),it is written:
a. The ARD currently consists of nine State broadcasting companies and the international broadcasting company Deutsche Welle, which has its headquarters in Bonn. Deutschlandradio, which is also a public broadcaster and has its headquarters in Cologne and Berlin, is not part of the ARD, nor is ZDF.(Die ARD besteht derzeit aus neun Landesrundfunkanstalten sowie der Auslandsrundfunkanstalt Deutsche Welle mit Hauptsitz in Bonn. Nicht zur ARD gehört das ebenfalls öffentlich-rechtliche Deutschlandradio mit Sitz in Köln und Berlin, ebenso wenig das Zweite Deutsche Fernsehen (ZDF). )
b.Public broadcasting must take into account the principle of distance from the state and independence. Therefore, with the exception of Deutsche Welle, which is also a public broadcaster, the stations are not financed through taxes.(Der öffentlich-rechtliche Rundfunk hat das Gebot der Staatsferne und der Unabhängigkeit zu berücksichtigen. Deshalb werden – bis auf die als Staatssender ebenfalls öffentlich-rechtlich organisierte Deutsche Welle – die Sender nicht durch Steuern finanziert.)
4.The word "State broadcasting company" in German is "Landesrundfunkanstalt", and the word "Public broadcasting" in German is Öffentlich-rechtlicher Rundfunk. On the german wiki page for "State broadcasting company"(Landesrundfunkanstalt), there is a sentence:"A distinction must be made between the State broadcasting corporations and those public broadcasters that broadcast programs for the whole of Germany: ZDF, Deutsche Welle and Deutschlandradio."(Von den Landesrundfunkanstalten sind diejenigen öffentlich-rechtlichen Rundfunkveranstalter zu unterscheiden, die für ganz Deutschland Programme veranstalten: das ZDF, die Deutsche Welle und das Deutschlandradio.). It shows clearly the distinction/definition is deliberately created —— another political matter/junk, not only create strife in source language but also in other languages.
Whatever what's going on, I will not pay attention to this topic recently. I did edit here and another list page because your edition based on "if a source State media or a Public broadcasting" and later I found some may can said mistake or partial opinion(if the word is too much I apologize in advance). By the way, there is another Sources' guideline for "State media" :"WP:BIASED". MINQI (talk) 19:47, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We are not supposed to be citing Wikipedia in disputes, but the reliable secondary sources that are hopefully supporting those pages. I'm trying to work through everything you are trying to explain but it's really difficult to understand, especially when evidence is provided in German or Chinese. I have also already offered on your talk page to bring in someone for a third opinion.
For future edits on this (or other pages), it's generally better to first flag with an in-line citation your issues, and point that flag to a talk page section that clearly and succinctly outlines the argument for the proposed edit, especially when the edit is (or likely to be) disputed. Superb Owl (talk) 19:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think I understand and have made edits addressing 2 issues you raised:
1) I noted international broadcasters (VOA and DW) as such. That sounds like something you think should be in a separate list from public/state media lists but until there is consensus I agree that they should be labeled as such with links to that wikipedia article (any others to add?)
2) I moved DW out from under ARD Superb Owl (talk) 20:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As for international vs. state vs. public, I still think that state or public spectrum is about editorial independence whereas the international or national or regional or local spectrum is a separate variable that mostly describes where the broadcast occurs (even though VOA and DW might not be consumed locally, which is somewhat different but probably not substantially so to exclude from this list). So I think DW belongs on both International broadcasting list and on the public broadcasting list. Superb Owl (talk) 20:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

International broadcasters[edit]

@MINQI has raised the question as to whether international broadcasters belong on this list in addition to the list of international broadcasters. As of right now, I think they belong on both, but open to other perspectives. Anyone else have any thoughts? I'm also working on trying to improve both the International broadcasting and associated list articles to better understand the scholarship on the concept if anyone has some good sources to add there... Superb Owl (talk) 20:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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